MEDIA BLITZ - JW BLOOD & SEXTUPLETS

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  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    While the VA Tech shootings have made top billing, the JW Blood Doctrine is also a top story in Canada. Canada press announces that the Sextuplet parents & JW lawyers are in court, fighting for the right of the parents to be granted a hearing before the children were taken away. Ex-JWs protesting outside the courthouse appear in the paper, a nice picture too. And, now, more stories come out...(see below). The case is on hold until this Summer.

    Most importantly, we find out that the condition of the babies. I pray they live.

    Also, it looks like Watchtower Attorney Brady is getting himself into deep doo-doo with Canadian legal ethics. Will he be disbarred?

    Mon, 2007-04-16 19:42 National News

    By: CAMILLE BAINS

    VANCOUVER (CP) - A lawyer for the parents of sextuplets says his clients'constitutional rights were violated when their babies were seized by the B.C. government so they could be given blood transfusions against their parents' wishes.

    Shane Brady wanted to cross-examine doctors, social workers and a government lawyer over their affidavits supporting the government's seizure decision.

    Cross-examining those who provide affidavits in a case is not a usual practice and Chief Justice Donald Brenner of B.C. Supreme Court denied Brady's request on Monday.

    The parents, whose names are under a publication ban, are Jehovah's Witnesses and their religion forbids the potentially life-saving medical procedure.

    Brady argued the doctors'affidavits state their opinions on why the children needed blood transfusions but don't provide any evidence to back them up.

    "There (are) facts that are at issue and cross-examination could help to resolve these issues," he said.

    Brady's colleague, John Burns, said they may appeal the cross-examination issue.

    The sextuplets were born at B.C. Children's Hospital on Jan. 7 - almost four months premature.

    Two of them died within weeks while four others - two boys and two girls - survived.

    Three are now at home, while one boy remains in hospital.

    Outside court, he said the long-term effects of the babies' premature birth, when each weighed about 1.8 pounds, are unknown.

    "The babies are healthy for babies who are born extremely premature but the long-term prognosis, the parents hope that it's positive but it's too early to tell."

    The children's father was in court but did not wish to talk about the case.

    He is asking for a judicial review on the decision of the director of child welfare to seize the children and an appeal of two provincial court orders that authorized blood transfusions.

    Kris Chen, a lawyer for the Crown, told the court that cross-examinations don't apply to such appeals.

    "I can't find any cases where a judge has ordered cross-examination involving the Child, Family and Community Service Act," Chen said.

    Margo Fleming, another Crown lawyer, accused Brady of being in the "strongest conflict."

    She told court Brady spoke to the provincial child welfare director and made assertions about the parents' rights.

    Fleming suggested Brady then used the information he got from that conversation as the father's evidence, but those statements are "strongly contradicted" by a social worker.

    "Is Mr. Brady going to continue to rely on that evidence, which is essentially his own evidence?

    "It is a conflict that concerns the director," Fleming said, adding the parents have different accounts of their conversations with social workers involved in seizing their children.

    The case has been put over for several months.

    Brady is a Jehovah's Witness who often represents members of the denomination.

    He has been sued by a Calgary man, who says Brady counselled his daughter to reject blood transfusions.

    The case involving the death of Bethany Hughes will go before the Alberta Court of Appeal on June 28.

    Burns said he and Brady are pursuing the sextuplets case on behalf of the parents to set a standard across Canada so others in their position would get a judicial hearing before blood transfusions are imposed.

    Brenner suggested there were "some time sensitivities" involved in performing the potentially life-saving medical treatment.

    But Burns said parents still need a reasonable opportunity to present their case.

    Outside court, Brady said B.C. is among few provinces that haven't enacted legislation to allow parents to go to court before the government can seize their children for objectionable medical treatment.

    He said some provinces put those provisions in place after a 1995 Supreme Court of Canada decision based on a similar case in Ontario.

    "Ontario, Saskatchewan, Quebec, Newfoundland, Alberta, all of those provinces require that even if the state could apprehend, if there was a concern about safety, they can apprehend the child but they must go to court first," he said.

    "Give the parents a fair hearing first before some objectionable treatment can be authorized."

    He said the parents had expert opinions from three neonatologists - from New Mexico, California and Ontario - who said the babies' condition did not merit blood transfusions.

    "Maybe not everyone agrees with the parents' religious views," Brady said.

    "Well, that's not what this case is about. I think any parent would be upset if they learned that the government could apprehend their child and interfere with the parent relationship on important matters without having to justify it in advance."

  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    Sounds like the Watchtower lawyer had a bad day in court.....

    Jehovah Witness sextuplet case delayed

    Vancouver Sun

    Published: Monday, April 16, 2007

    A judicial review of actions taken by Children and Family Development officials when they seized four of the surviving sextuplets born Jan. 7 so they could be given blood transfusions against the wishes of their Jehovah Witness parents has been postponed until at least July.
    B.C. Supreme Court Chief Justice Donald Brenner had been expecting to hear affidavit evidence from the various parties during a two-day hearing beginning today. But the family’s lawyers asked Brenner to order various government officials and the doctors who performed the transfusions to appear in court so they could be cross-examined on their written testimony.Lawyers for the provincial government, including George Copley — the province’s leading expert on Canadian constitutional issues— opposed the application and said there was no need for cross-examination of any of the affidavits.
    The family’s lawyers also wanted to bring in witnesses to testify about the purported medical necessity of transfusing the infants and the parent’s contention that the blood transfusions given the surviving sextuplets were not necessary.
    But Brenner said he “had enough information” in the affidavits and was concerned that allowing cross-examination would unnecessarily broaden the scope of the judicial review which is being conducted in chambers.Two of the prematurely born babies died shortly after birth.
    The four surviving children — two boys and two girls — were given one blood transfusion each. Three of the babies are now living at home with one boy still remaining in hospital but expected to be sent home soon.
    Jehovah’s Witnesses oppose blood transfusions as it offends a basic tenant of their faith which teaches that God demands they “abstain from blood.”

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    itsallgoodnow

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  • ESTEE
    ESTEE

    In late December, Jehovah's Witness officials had written a letter cautioning a respected medical journal, Paediatrics and Child Health, against publishing an article by Guichon, the medical ethicist, and scholar Ian Mitchell, in which the authors questioned whether Jehovah's Witnesses always make truly "voluntary" decisions to reject transfusions.

    The article, which was published in December, 2006, said there is evidence some Jehovah's Witnesses who have to make life-and-death decisions about transfusions for themselves, their children or family members in comas feel pressured into refusing blood because they don't want to be excommunicated from the religion.

    "Coercion by actual or threatened shunning and excommunication can occur, and these factors may affect ... decision-making," says the academic article. The authors urged medical staff to make sure Jehovah's Witness patients who refuse blood are "acting without coercion."

    A scathing article! Best one I've seen! This comment is the "real meat" of the matter, I figure.

    ESTEE

  • Scully
    Scully

    The problem with WTS Legal Department is them playing both sides of the issue as it suits them.

    In Bethany Hughes' case, they asserted that as a "mature" minor, she was in a position - and had the constitutional right - to make medical decisions in her own behalf, even when her father wanted her to have the course of treatment that included blood transfusions.

    In the case of the sextuplets, they assert that only the parents have the constitutional right to make medical decisions in the children's behalf.

    They are forgetting that each of these infants have constitutional rights as well, and if they are not in a position to choose a faith of their own volition which requires that they submit to martyrdom, the state has the right and obligation to uphold the right to LIFE that each of those infants have, which is guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The government is speaking on behalf of the children, when the parents and the religious body the parents have chosen for themselves is unwilling to consider the best interests of the children.

    What they are going to do is show themselves to be biased - that the JW lawyer is persuading the JW client to make medical decisions on the basis of JW doctrine, not on the basis of medical evidence. In the long run, unless they can get unbiased non-JW lawyers to side with them, they are going to shoot themselves in the foot.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Slimy bastards, they really want to see those babies dead, are they not ashamed of anything? They don't want to give them a chance to live. They should be shot for all the children they have already killed with their lunacies.

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    Excellent point, Scully! That goddam Brady burns my ass. I'd love to see the province of BC counter-sue the bastards :)

    It's also good to see that Lawrence Hughes is getting more exposure for his situation. A big media spectacle like this will let the general public know how truly heartless and terrible the JW Cult is. Their numbers then go down, and they hurt financially.

  • zack
    zack

    I agree that parents should have a right to a hearing before the state takes away their children for any reason. However, in my lifetime, I have not seen the State-- whether Great Briatan,

    Canada, or US---- use this authority willy nilly. In fact, agencies are actually loathe to seperate a child from his biological parents and do so only under extreme circumstances.

    It seems to me that a hearing, if granted, could bring out into the open the history of this blood ban. It may also help untangle the web they, WTS Legal Department, weaves when

    it calls a blood transfusion a medical treatment and asserts that JW's have a right to refuse objectionable "medical treatment" but stay away from saying the objection is

    based, actually, on doctrinal religious grounds, not medical and sceintific ones.

    The prohibition is RELIGIOUS. But they do not want the parents to say so becuase it then makes JW's look like wackos. Let your kids die for a RELIGION? Sounds like child sacrifice

    to me. Object to a "dangerous" medical procedure? That sound more like sound parenting.

    These guys cover all the angles.

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    ESTEE,

    Where did you get the information you presented above, that,

    “In late December, Jehovah's Witness officials had written a letter cautioning a respected medical journal, Paediatrics and Child Health, against publishing an article by Guichon, the medical ethicist, and scholar Ian Mitchell, in which the authors questioned whether Jehovah's Witnesses always make truly "voluntary" decisions to reject transfusions.”

    Is this information published somewhere? I have the article by Guichon et al. But where can we find out about this letter from "Jehovah's Witness officials"?

    Marvin Shilmer

  • Uzzah
    Uzzah

    Marvin:

    That was a quote from the Vancouver Sun article.

    Uzzah

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