Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Dangerous Cult?

by UnDisfellowshipped 38 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • The Dragon
    The Dragon

    One of the slickest things about running a cult...is the way you can sell the image people are doing what you tell them by freedom of choice..

    Heres how it works...if they are only introduced to one set of facts/beliefs...and have been conditioned to distrust any others from others sources..they decide based on the information from the trusted source.....the whole time thinking they are doing so in freedom!

    Once you convince someone to trust you and ONLY you...and distrust all other sources of information and other sides of issues....It is all over..they are yours...until the lose trust in you.

    If the president trusts the CIA for intel before deciding a course of action..and they present their findings..the only ones he will ever see and evaluate..can they not easially manipulate him to do what THEY want want him to do in the situation? Who is really in control? Is it the person deciding between the information..or the one supplying the information or knowledge?

    Have you ever heard of the president arguing or going against his intelligence sources?

    Same goes for cults...just a smaller scale......They do not like questions nor open minded people.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    "cult" is a very subjective term.

    It's not always an "either/or" question.

    It subjectively describes the extent to which an individual's thoughts are in submission to an authority figure in a given situation.

    How encompassing this is.

    By what means this is accomplished (to what extent deception, limiting of information access, propaganda techniques, fallacious argumentation, etc. are employed to alter the individual's sense of reality)

    Throw in extra points if submission results in physical harm to someone.

  • stillajwexelder
  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    bravo, stillajwexelder

    simple and concise.

    ofc

  • Mary
    Mary

    Actually, if you take the thread that Lady Lee just did on this subject, combine it with the WTS's own words, it's pretty obvious as to whether or not they're a cult:

    The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment;

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." (Quote from The Watchtower, June 15th, 1957, Page 370)

    The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act and feel.

    *** w83 1/15 p. 27 Armed for the Fight Against Wicked Spirits ***Yet there are some who point out that the organization has had to make adjustments before, and so they argue: "This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe." This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous? Such thinking is an evidence of pride. And the Bible says: "Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling."

    The group is preoccupied with making money. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example, collecting money for bogus charities)

    *** km 1/04 p. 3 Announcements *** For those who wish to make donations to the worldwide work electronically, a set of instructions is available to explain this arrangement. For further information, call 718-560-5000 or write to Watch Tower, Office of the Secretary and Treasurer, 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, New York 11201-2483.

    *** km 5/04 p. 3 Announcements *** Donations made by check and put in the local Kingdom Hall contribution boxes for the worldwide work and the Kingdom Hall Fund should be made payable to "Jehovah’s Witnesses." Donations made by check at district conventions and those sent to the branch office should be made payable to "Watch Tower."

    *** km 10/03 p. 7 Theocratic Ministry School Review *** As followers of Jesus, we should be moved to give generously of ourselves and our resources to do Jehovah’s will and help others gain life.

    The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities;

    *** km 6/98 p. 3 Caring for the Master’s Belongings *** As fine stewards, they feel accountable to Jehovah God for the way they use these things (not to any "worldly authorities)

    Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group;

    *** w52 11/15 p. 703 Questions from Readers *** We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in.

    *** w88 4/15 p. 28 Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit *** The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum

    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members;

    *** w03 1/1 p. 11 Now More Than Ever, Stay Awake! *** A regular study of God’s Word and regular association with our brothers at the meetings will help us to follow Paul’s counsel and to keep our sense of urgency.

    *** w02 5/15 p. 8 Phenomenal Increase Necessitates Quick Expansion *** we cannot fail to appreciate a vital source of refreshment—association with our spiritual brothers and sisters at Christian meetings.

    *** w97 8/1 p. 11 Serving Loyally With Jehovah’s Organization *** Heed the warnings from the Watchtower and Awake! magazines on such matters as worldly association

    *** w94 2/15 p. 24 Keep Your Distance When Danger Threatens *** even when a business is booming, it will likely absorb much time and mental energy, and it may require considerable worldly association

    Questioning, doubt and dissent are discouraged or even punished. Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

    *** w72 8/15 p. 505 Do You Tend to Be Stumbled? *** We should adjust our thinking to these revelations new to us.—1 Cor. 2:9, 10. If you have a tendency to stumble because you do not thoroughly grasp some explanation of Scripture or some organizational or procedural matter coming through the "faithful and discreet slave" class, remember your position before God. Think: Have I oriented myself properly? Have I progressively made my mind over? Am I going to stop doing so at this point?—Matt. 24:45-47.

    This includes being loyal to “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own.We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus’ ransom, the difference between God’s organization and Satan’s, nor why God has permitted wickedness. (Quote from The Watchtower, December 1st, 1990 Issue, Page19)

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    Nope.....I can't see any resemblence between the Watchtower Society and a cult. Can you?

  • The Dragon
    The Dragon

    Nah...perhaps if we call it another word like religion it will make it ok?

    Cult just sounds bad.......how about "movement"?

    I want to start my own "movement" against cults. (lol......get it?)

  • justhuman
    justhuman

    Jehovahs Witnesses are indeed a CULT. I have seen it personally after i was disfellowshiped for apostasy. My family is broken COMPLETELY...

    Regarding to what yadayada said:


    Even if a person is 'disfellowshipped' scripturally under 1 Cor 5, that still does not justify total shunning. The Society's policy is flawed scripturally: the Greek word 'sunanamignumi' at 1 Cor 5: 9-13 which the NWT translates as 'quit mixing in company with' has the meaning of 'intimate association' and 'close association, as with a friend' (according to Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the NT, p 601). This is in contrast with the Greek word 'mita' which Strong's Exhaustive Concordance says denotes "accompaniment; amid (local or casual) - general association". So what Paul was stating was that the congregation should not have intimate, close association with the evildoer, as indicated by not 'eating with them' in a social setting. Paul was NOT forbidding general, casual association. Saying a greeting and a few friendly, encouraging words to a disfellowshipped person is hardly 'intimate..close' association.


    The Greek word sunanamignumi' means becoming one. And this is happening ONLY(becoming one since the congregation is the body of Jesus) by the Mystery of the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ. And the first Apostolic Church they had communion almost every day. The apostle clearly shows that if someone has done a gross sin, the congregation(ekklisiasma in Greek)should not allow him/her to have this communion. Untill he/she repends truly from the bad course(through prayer and fasting) The early Apostolic Church never had used such a behavior adopted by the WT cult. Because the Church should be a place for healing and spiritual refreshment for the sinner, and this is how it works. As a Christian Greek Orthodox (the full name is "Holy Catholic Apostolic Church") now, I feel that healing of Jesus in his Church. Jesus came for the weak and the sinners. He didn't came for the righteous.

    Just imagine the parable of the son that left His father, took all the money and spend them in a foreign land, living a sinfull life. But what happened when he came back, when he realize the wrong attitude that he was engaged?

    Did the Father send him away? No He invited him home the way he was, dirty, and full of sin at the house...

    The explanation of this parable is very simple:

    The Father is the God. His House is the Church. The sinner son it is all of us who sin and repend from our sinfull way. So the cleansing of the sin it takes place inside the House(Church). God is merciful and this is very clear in this parable. He accepted his son invided him in the House the way he was. He didn't send him out to get cleaned and then invite him home.

    Indeed WT is one of the WORST cult ever existed. They have NO Biblical back round.They have twisted the Bible to fit their pizarre teachings. The don't have a CLUE of Greek Language(it is around in this world for 5000 years and still ALIVE as a language).

    They ignore the fact that the Bible that they are using was set by the Early Fathers of The Church(Most of them in Greek Minor Asia)and that besides the 66 Books there are other books that the Church also accepts.

    It is very simple. Those who set the Biblical Cannon. Those that the Christian message was spread through out the world. Those that after 2000 years are still using the Texts of the Bible as they were delivered to us from the Apostles. and that is why the Apostolic Church does not accept in the ceremonies translation of the Bible. Those who have the Apostolic succesion delivered from the Apostles, starting with Apostle James the first Bishop of the Church,and this line of succesion goes for 2000 years and no one can question that, they have the right to intepretate the Bible. Simple as that.

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    This website is testimony to the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses ARE a dangerous cult. Many of the posts here have described the utter pain and heartbreak caused through family ties being broken at the hands of Watchtower. I personally know of a number of suicides by people who could not face the shunning or continual advice to do more in Jehovah's service! Is there anymore to be said?

    Ian

  • Nulite
    Nulite

    J-Dubs are only as dangerous as you allow. Can they take over your life? Yes. Can they cloud your reasoning? Yes. Are you held prisoner beyond pulling away like a runaway teenager? No.

    If I were not born into this crap, I would not have stayed as long as I did. You feel so special for a long time. Then they keep f***ing with you. Then you wake up from the effects of the KooL Aid. Then you have know choice but to pull for the sake of sanity.

    Nulite

  • The Dragon
    The Dragon

    Be nice if we could be a danger to their Cult..religion..what ever you call it.

    Danger's danger? Predator's predator?

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