Finally starting to understand faders...

by ex-nj-jw 16 Replies latest jw experiences

  • 5go
    5go
    And you know what....perhaps one day we get to find out anyway. All I know is that RELIGION is wrong. It doesn't know and cannot find answers that are not based on superstition.

    Yeah they do crap like that i had a friend's girl friend go nutz he was dating her but out of the blue she marries a worldly guy ( nearly killed him my friend ) Acording to what is written in the mags there is not much officially ( in order to not look cultish your not supposed to be disfellowshipped for marrying out of the org ) they can do but they DFed her immediately for unchristian behavior. Which sent the family who was sort of new into sock that they would not use what the mags say ( to hell with the bible ) in a decision.

  • IsaacJS2
    IsaacJS2
    Kicker is they never even had sexual intercourse!!~!!! WTF????

    Unfortunately, breast fondling and the like is still considered pornea. I went before a JC when I was about 20 for it, so I found out the hard way. The Elders on the committee were actually laughing and carrying on while they grilled me and tried to trip me up so they could pin the thing on me. (It was both of us, actually) Making out can be nearly as bad as sex before marriage to the great bullies council.

    I like the comment someone made about the double standard. Child molesting is okay if no one saw it, but kids who confess to making out is condemned. What a joke.

    Anyway, times like this, it's hard to sit back and watch this kind of stuff happen. I feel it everyday with my wife and in-laws who are still loyal Witnesses. What a waste. Yet they surely say the same about me. I would probably have DA'd myself or deliberately done something to get DFed just so I could laugh in the Elder's faces when they tried to haul me in front of a committee, but I avoided it just because of my in-laws. Yet I find that I like them less with each passing year. The day may come when it isn't worth it. I'd still take DFing over taking orders any day, though.

    It's especially hard when my wife starts talking about the meeting or criticizing some other religious group. I can't really pounce too hard on stuff like that or it'll just divide us. But I can't sit there and say nothing, either. So I mildly point out the obvious hypocrisy of her comments, then we both drop the subject after she pouts for a bit. That's about all I can do. The reality is that her faith in the WT isn't based on any sort of reason, so reason will never change her mind. I don't mean to suggest this is true of all religious believers, but in her case, the WT is a crutch. She can barely walk with it under one arm and her family under the other. Both of them have made her dependent on them for their own selfish ends. I used to be 3rd best, but now she sees what her family has done. So we're tied for 2nd, which is an improvement--the Society is still #1. She won't apply the same scrutiny to the WTS. She probably never will, so this may never change.

    Like I said. What a waste--for both of us. But you have to resign yourself to the fact that there's only so much you can do. Try too hard and you actually run the risk of making it worse. It's hard to know what to do, and it's hard doing nothing.

    You are not alone.

    IsaacJ

  • flipper
    flipper

    ex-nj-jw, your posts are not boring! Aren't you thankful for your rebellious streak - got you out of the cult. Got me out of the catholic church. I have also come to understand faders. It's almost impossible to leave openly without being cut off from those you love. But from what I've seen here and my husband's recent experience after a 4 year fade, you eventually will get hassled and they will find something, anything, to df you for. Lot of the time, same deal - you get ratted out OR lied about by family members, people who don't like you, or are jealous that you got away and are happy. Sorry about your daughter - let's hope she inherited some of your rebellious nature. another really good thing about this board is you get hope when you see others on here who have someone who finally escaped. flipper

  • Frequent_Fader_Miles
    Frequent_Fader_Miles

    I like the comment someone made about the double standard. Child molesting is okay if no one saw it, but kids who confess to making out is condemned. What a joke.

    Double standard indeed. I faded because I was just tired of "jumping through hoops" fruitlessly. Then when I married my "worldly" husband I was "marked", whilst another "sister" had a presently married "brother" making advances towards her (which she accepted), claiming he was getting a divorce because of marriage problems ... and no one pays any attention to that.

  • free2think
    free2think

    nj your comments are always appreciated and there is always something each one of us has to add that is just as important as the next persons opinion and may really help someone in a similar situation or with the same problem, (did that make any sense?) but I do know what you mean.

    That poor girl, it's just typical tho. I used ot think about confessing to the elders for things I did wrong that only I knew about but I was scared they'd df me, now I'm glad I didn't.

    Thank you for what you wrote also, i'm a fader and I really appreciated what you said. I do sometimes think it would be easier if I da but I know deep down it wouldn't as I would definitely lose my family. You would think that families love each other unconditionally, but as others can vouch on here, they definitely don't if they're dubs.

    hugs

  • MinisterAmos
    MinisterAmos

    Holy CRAP!

    The girl had to first describe it to her FATHER??!! If my teen girl EVER laid that kind of story on me you can be assured that her beau would be toast.

  • ex-nj-jw
    ex-nj-jw

    LOL at ministeramos , I think it was mutual "petting"

    Going before the Elders is a very scary thing when you see them as such authority figures. I felt that way the first time, then after that I could care less about their authority, because I felt that they had none over me!!!

    As I mentioned, I've been reading old posts and it seems that even if you fade in the end you will either get df'd or da'd so I guess you have to weight the decision to see if years of pretending or just getting it over with is better for you.

    Fortunately my friend has a very open relationship with his daughter and I think the fact that she disappointed him was worse than the embarrassment. He actually told me that maybe she should get married next year!! She will be 17 on her next birthday, I blew a gasket, told him if he made her get married at age 17 he should be shot!!! Then I used his line and said "boy, you are really in deep with this cult"!!! He always tells me I'm really in deep into the world. I tell him that I live in the world and not the fantasy paradise that he chooses. Not sure why we are still friends

    nj

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