Recommendations About Leaving The Truth

by The wanderer 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • The wanderer
    The wanderer

    Recommendations About Leaving The Truth

    Leaving the organization regardless of the circumstances can be difficult.
    So much is interwoven besides leaving a religion or philosophy behind.

    Recently, I had the good fortune of bringing my best friend out of the
    organization however;—it took two years to accomplish.

    What Can You Suggest?

    Had someone approached me in a crude or thoughtless manner about the
    organization the chances are good that I never would have accepted what
    the individual was saying to me.

    I think finesse and tact are ultimately important on bringing a person out of
    the Watchtower Society.

    Describe how you would get a friend out of the organization without it
    leading to a firefight or mudslinging contest. How would you go about it
    without arousing resentment, arguments, or defensiveness?

    Respectfully,

    The Wanderer

  • StillGroggy
    StillGroggy

    By example

  • carla
    carla

    grow a penis.

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    Each person is differant and reacts to thinks in their own way. I think that you always have to keep in mind the person and the circumstance.

    I personally feel that the possibility to bring a JW out by somebody who is not known by the person is allways stronger. JWs are very disrespectful and cruel to their 'brothers'. On the other hand, when speaking with a 'potential convert' the JW will act much differently. They will try to make everything look amazing for that person so as to 'bring them into the truth'. Of course, if that person knows their games well, the JW can be led into numerous traps that force them to think hard about their theology. As long as they feel you are a potential convert they will keep at it. The skill is not allowing yourself to get to harsh with them, but instead to simply ask the right questions as your discussions with them progress (as well as allways making a point to schedule the 'follow up' so they can't just never come back)

    When it comes to family and friends it is much trickier. I think that you simply have to look at the needs and personality of the individual and simply plant seeds accordingly. There is no real standard way to do it.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Wanderer..There is no way to do it gently..Any negative comment about the WBT$ to a JW,will start a verbal war..Remember..They are trained from the get go,to protect the WBT$ at any cost.....The best approach is to not get too emotionally invested in the conversation..State the facts and let them think about..It took you years to get your friend out.I have`nt done any better..It takes time...OUTLAW

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    Pray for them

    r's hubby

  • Alligator Wisdom
    Alligator Wisdom

    This is what I do to make them think twice about the "truth".

    I go overboard, literally, when someone in my congregation starts to talk about the FDS. I will take them on and over rant about the FDS. This is what I'll say; "Oh yes, the FDS is just what the Bible says is needed for us to live healthy spiritually (Matt 24:45). What will we do without them? Surely our annointed brothers, especially the GB need our utmost loyalty and devotion. Afterall, who is the one appointed? Our entire dedication will not be firm if it wasn't for the strong hand of the FDS which guides us through this system by means of the Watchtower. What more can we do to support this blessing in the form of gifts in men (Eph 4:8)? Surely we will be lost in this dark void of our lives unless the FDS comes to our rescue. I can't believe that I am so privileged to be working shoulder to shoulder (Zeph 3:9) with the FDS in terms of obeying them with utmost sincerity and will full submissiveness to their every word that issues forth from both the Our Kingdom Ministry and the Watchtower. This world doesn't realize that the Watchtower magazines point the way to everlasting life"...etc.

    And believe me, I would say this in one breath. Note that I never mention Jesus or Jehovah. This makes them think either two ways, that I'm crazy and an idol worshiper of men, or that they are. Yes, they start to think. Surely they aren't, so they better correct me. Some would remark; "Gee Brother Alligator, you are not putting too much emphasis on Jehovah. He uses the FDS to assist us, that's all".

    My reply; "Be careful what you say! The FDS is put in place and is recorded in the Bible. Unless you follow their direct orders and directions, you can be easily deemed an apostate. Remember, as part of this worldwide brotherhood, we are to keep in step with the organization. I expect you to read the publications with a humble heart and to realize the channel that is being used. Of course we should put emphasis on the FDS. Even more so during this very end of the final part of the last days! Isn't it scriptural? I will report you to the elders (or CO if this conversation is with an elder) if you feel that my gratitude toward the one who gives us the food at the proper time is not enough. Because if you doubt my motive in following the FDS to the best of my ability, out of my love for this organization, you will need to be counseled because you are on a very fine line in being the wicked slave, an apostate! Or even worse, the man of lawlessness!"

    Notice again that I wouldn't use or mention Jehovah or Jesus. I initially would get some strange looks, but I would then see them starting to downplay the FDS and to lift up Jehovah and Jesus.

    Yes, that's my strategy and it does work. With many in my congregation, the FDS is just that. A scripture in Matthew 24. They realize in both word and deed that the thrust of the Scriptures point to Jehovah and His son Jesus. Yes, in my congregation the downplay of the FDS in starting to catch on. Little by little, one by one they are seeing the realization of the WTS as only a printing company. I'm just letting their own foolish reasoning be reflected by my unusual rabid behavior.

    (BTW, the congregation knows me well enough not to be like that and they seem to be getting the point across without any confrontation).

    Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

  • dedpoet
    dedpoet

    I don't believe it's possible to get a jw away from the watchtower unless
    they themselves are having doubts, and are willing to examine the evidence
    pointing to the society not having the truth, overwhelming as that evidence is.

    Once someone is in that position, patience is required. It's relatively easy
    to leave physically - just stop attending meetings. Breaking the mental bonds
    is much, much harder, and can take years.

    Personally, I wouldn't say much. I'd just encourage them to do their own research,
    and suggest where they might find the information they need to look at. At the same
    time, I'd endeavour to show the positive changes I have made in my life since I left
    the org.

  • undercover
    undercover

    Different people will react different ways to the same information or tactics used to share that information.

    Some JWs are not going to listen to anything negative about the WTS or the beliefs, plain and simple. Others may be harboring some secret doubts but are trying hard to be obedient. It may only take a gentle nudge in the right direction to get them to let those doubts move to the front of their brain.

    I can think of a couple of my family members who would respond in opposite ways to the same thing. One is a diehard dub, nothing is going to make a dent but another member is already a fringe member. I've been able to drop a few hints that gets him thinking. Those same hints on the diehard either gets no repsonse or a tirade in how the world has corrupted my thinking. So I don't even go there with the diehard but when the oppurtunity presents itself, I keep making my little hints and editorial comments to the other person, who even if he doesn't respond is thinking about it because he usually comes back and asks me more about it.

    In the end, it has to be their research that proves to them what is right and it has to be their decision to leave. We can only present enough information to hopefully jar them awake from the zombie state.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Hey Alligator Wisdom, would you mind transferring to my congregation? I just don't have the stomach anymore to say the boatload of crap you just did. But, man it sure would be nice to point you out as a looney tune and let my kids think that you're what a "real zealous witness" is all about. Now that I think about it, do you think you're just seen as someone who's a little too gung-ho and off balance? If so, I'm not sure your strategy will work. "Oh, Brother Alligator is a little bit out there, but we still all know we get our food in due season from the F&D slave." Or, do you think some in your congregation are beginning to doubt the authority of the F&D slave? If so, congratulations! I applaud your objective and hope your strategy works. Keep us updated!

    As for me, it's a little seed here a little seed there. I try to look for dub issues or doctrines that affect someone personally in a negative way. Or, conversely, I'll promote something healthy & positive and then either have it taken away by a nosy elder or I'll just point out that we need to keep this to ourselves or someone's going to try butting in and stopping us. A good example is my son taking music lessons from a private teacher who happens to rent studio space in a local church. He slinks in and out, looking over his shoulder, and knows that if the dubs find out he'll most likely have to stop taking lessons there all because of extreme paranoia about Babylon the Grape.

    I've maintained my "good standing" and hopefully some credibility in my family's eyes when I raise questions. I'm very careful who I voice doubts to. Primarily it's just my immediate family. And I usually finish up by saying something like "but don't go repeating that or some super-sensitive person will go reporting it and then I'll have to take it all back".

    My way could take years and ultimately, may never work. But I'm not giving up on my family that easily.

    Open Mind

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