by booker-t 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Esw,
It has given me the greatest relationship I could ever be in, Jesus Christ! It has changed my life! My life is filled with love, joy, and happiness! It's been good to me despite losing my children, father, sister, and ex-wife to a cult.
And how many times do you have to keep telling yourself that over and over,, to believe it?
Have you ever considered that the Bible is not foolish, but believing it is literal is? I mean, do not the stories make perfect sense in an allegoricalway? Take Genesis and the garden of eden, for instance. If we look at it as an allegory, we can make some very useful connections. Knowledge comes with a heavy price. Temptation can be a dangerous thing. Don't believe something just because you want to believe it or it is convenient.
After seeing pictures from the Hubble telescope? Who is the fool?
Warlock (no offense meant to non-believers)
Believing in god and believing the bible are two independant things... you can believe in god without accepting ridiculous things like the global flood, talking animals or the sun stopping. (Although I must say, the belief in an all powerfull diety isn't very rational itself, it's definately less foolish then the wacky things in the bible.)
If there really is an almighty god, it would be child's play for him to make a donkey talk, or any of the other miracles. If I were a believer, I wouldn't have a problem with any of that.Some of it, though, doesn't make logical sense. Like the donkey talking. No problem there. But Balaam listened to him, and even carried on a conversation! In reality, he would've run away scared, thinking his donkey was full of demons. THAT's the sort of thing that would make me feel foolish for believing.
My thoughts EXACTLY... talking animals are no big deal for a god. But the humans in those stories act like people in fairy tales, not real people. For example. Little red riding hood wasn't scared of the talking wolf... Balaam wasn't scared of the talking donkey. If you, a real person, encountered a talking donkey or wolf, how would you react? Rumpelstiltskin sows straw into gold, the king isn't impressed, and he doesn't want to analyze this phenomenon he just want's more gold. Jesus turns water into wine, the people don't scream in amazement, they just comment on the good quality.... If you, a real person, encountered a man who could change the mollecular structure of objects by touch, how would you react? A witch blocks a knights path by causing thorns to grow up in front of him, the knight doesn't care, he just plows right through. God blocks Pharaohs path with a pillar of fire, he doesn't care, he just waits god out, and then plows right through the parted sea... If you, a real person, had somebody conjure up a wall of thorns or fire, how would you react? Snow white falls for the queen's tricks THREE TIMES. (Chocked with ribbons, poisoned comb, poisoned apple.) After his wife betrays him three times, Samson tells her the secret of his hair. If you, a real person, where tricked by somebody twice in quick succession, would you do the same dumb thing again? Jack kills a giant. David kills a giant. Real people leave giants alone I could probably go on and on, but I'm running out of fairy tales to match the wacky scriptures... for instance, I can't think of a Grimm Brothers equivelant to Samson and the fiery foxes. And then there's the one where the dead guy touches Elija's bones and comes back to life... a real person would have boxed up the bones for later use. Lore
If there really is an almighty god, it would be child's play for him to make a donkey talk, or any of the other miracles. If I were a believer, I wouldn't have a problem with any of that.
Once you allow a false premise to become foundational all your conclusions based on that false premise become worthless. Or, concisely put: garbage in = garbage out.
Once you allow a false premise to become foundational all your conclusions based on that false premise become worthless. Or, concisely put: garbage in = garbage out.
But you cannot PROVE there is no God. Even those that hold your position must acknowledge that there is at least a POSSIBILTY that God exists.
Warlock
But you cannot PROVE there is no God. Even those that hold your position must acknowledge that there is at least a POSSIBILTY that God exists.
Can't argue with that... but then again, even theists must acknownledge that there is at least a possibility that God DOESN'T exist.
I'm not concerned with what's possible... I'm only concerned with what's true.
Nobody can prove that there is no God, nobody can prove that there are no fairies, nobody can prove that there are no elves, unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters, ghosts, aliens or Jessica Simpson. When you accept the supernatural, you can't prove or disprove anything.
But either way, the existence of a deity, or three or twenty doesn't validate the Bible in any way, shape or form. Belief in god doesn't equal belief in the bible.
Lore
