When a DFed anointed one get reinstated..............what happens ??????

by vitty 17 Replies latest jw friends

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  vitty

  I have just found out that an appointed member of a congregation I know has been DFed for drinking, this person has had a problem for years but her daughter dobbed her in................anyway I was wondering what happens if she gets reinstated, will she still be one of the anointed or has she lost her crown
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  IsaacJS2

  Others may have a different (or more current?) answer, but I was always told that they would return as members of the Great Crowd. That is, once you've been Anointed and then kicked out, you can't be anointed again. I was also told that the Anointed are truly immortal when they ascend into Heaven, that Jehovah promises never to destroy them for any reason--unlike members of the Great Crowd. It is assumed that members of the Anointed are people who will never disobey Jehovah, so he is putting so much faith in them that he makes this promise.

  I guess getting DFed would be a sign that Jehovah can't trust you after all. Oops.

  You'd think he would check that in advance before selecting them for true immortality in the first place, but that's just me being silly. Guess Satan wasn't enough of a rebel for the big guy, he's just aching to create a more long term foe.

  Or the whole thing is crap and the WT made it up.

  IsaacJ
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  MidwichCuckoo

  How can 'Dubs' buy this? The Annointed are hand-picked by GOD (snigger) -. Snd if that person returns and claims to be re-Annointed (by God), the Society overrules God?
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  erandir

  Or the whole thing is crap and the WT made it up.

  I'm going to go with the last answer.
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  dedpoet

  Hebrews 6: 4-6 says this

  4 For it is impossible [to restore and bring again to repentance] those who have been once for all enlightened, who have consciously tasted the heavenly gift and have become sharers of the Holy Spirit,

  5 And have felt how good the Word of God is and the mighty powers of the age and world to come,

  6 If they then deviate from the faith and turn away from their allegiance--[it is impossible] to bring them back to repentance, for (because, while, as long as) they nail upon the cross the Son of God afresh [as far as they are concerned] and are holding [Him] up to contempt and shame and public disgrace.

  So it would seem that if a member of the anointed falls away, then they can't come back as anointed.

  Not that I believe the jws teaching on this anyway
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  tijkmo

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  CanananointedChristianwhoisdisfellowshipedlaterbereinstatedandstillhavetheheavenlyhope?

  Yes, that is possible. Of course, in each case Jehovah God is the one to determine whether he will extend forgiveness.

  The fact that this is possible is borne out by what we read in the apostle Paul’s letters to the Corinthian congregation. He wrote to Christians who had been anointed by holy spirit and given the hope of heavenly life. Paul addressed them as "you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones."—1 Cor. 1:2; 15:49.

  One of these anointed Christians began to practice fornication. When he evidently did not repent and stop his immorality, Paul directed the congregation to disfellowship him. (1 Cor. 5:1-5, 9-13) However, it seems that this disfellowshiped person thereafter did sincerely repent. He is understood to be the person whom Paul was referring to in his second letter when he advised the Corinthians to forgive and accept back the former sinner.—2 Cor. 2:6-11; 7:8-13.

  When that man was reinstated into the congregation, what was his hope? Had he lost the heavenly calling, and had his hope now been changed to everlasting life on earth? No, for the earthly hope is not, as it were, a second-chance prospect. Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and multitudes of other persons of outstanding faith had the hope of eternal life on earth, but this was not because they failed to measure up to the heavenly calling. They simply did not live in the time when the heavenly calling was in process according to Jehovah’s will. (Heb. 10:19, 20) Comparable faith and integrity are required of all who will gain everlasting life, whether in heaven or on a paradise earth. A Christian who is anointed with holy spirit and made a joint heir with Christ must prove faithful to that calling if he is to receive eternal life at all.—Rev. 2:10, 11; Phil. 3:8-14; Rom. 8:14-17.

  This, though, does not mean that while they are on earth anointed Christians never sin. In the flesh, they are still imperfect and consequently they sin, as do all humans, and may even commit gross sin. The Christian disciple and Bible writer James, certainly an anointed Christian, wrote: "For we all stumble many times. If anyone does not stumble in word, this one is a perfect man." (Jas. 3:2; 2:5) It appears that such unintentional sin resulting from imperfection is what the apostle John meant by "sin that does not incur death." (1 John 5:16) God can forgive such sins. John said: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."—1 John 1:9.

  But repentance is necessary. If an anointed Christian today practiced gross sin and did not manifest repentance, the congregation, out of obedience to God’s counsel, would have to disfellowship him. If he subsequently repented, though, he could be forgiven and reinstated, as was the man in Corinth.

  God does not, however, forgive all sin. According to what Jesus said in Mark 3:28, 29, those who willfully and knowingly blaspheme God’s spirit can never be forgiven. And Paul wrote: "If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment." (Heb. 10:26, 27) Such unforgivable sin is evidently what John referred to as "sin that does incur death."—1 John 5:16.

  If an anointed Christian sinned against the spirit, practicing willful sin without repentance and ‘impaling the Son of God afresh,’ God would completely and forever reject him. (Heb. 6:4-6) Not being repentant, he would not be reinstated. Jehovah would have to select and anoint another Christian as a replacement so that the full number of 144,000 would be kept complete. It might be compared to heaven’s choice of Matthias to replace unfaithful Judas Iscariot so that there would be twelve faithful apostles of Jesus on which to build the Christian congregation.—Acts 1:23-26; Eph. 2:20.

  Is this to say that if an anointed Christian is disfellowshiped, Jehovah then and there selects a replacement? No human can say that, for we cannot know if the disfellowshiped individual has committed the unforgivable sin. Jehovah knows, and so the matter can be left in his hands. Just how and when he chooses to select a replacement is for him to decide. He did not give a detailed discussion of the matter in the Bible. So rather than speculate on what He will do or try to guess whether a disfellowshiped person is beyond the possibility of repentance, we can leave the matter up to Jehovah, the righteous Judge.—Heb. 12:23.

  If a congregation has had to disfellowship a person but he later repents and is reinstated, we can rejoice over Jehovah’s mercy and forgiveness. (Luke 15:7) That is so whether the person professed the heavenly hope and continues to do so or had and continues to have hope of everlasting life on earth. All of us should take to heart the lessons learned from this—our own need to fight constantly against imperfection and sin, the importance of seeking forgiveness when we do sin and the necessity of enduring to the end so as to be saved.—Matt. 10:22.
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  tijkmo

  an interesting development in the coatbridge congregation just outside glasgow a while back....

  anointed member got df-ed and another cong member started taking the emblems 'as his replacement'

  df-ed member gets reinstated and both continue to take emblems
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  Crumpet

  I think if they got df-ed for drinking (which is pretty rare as I understand it) then its probably believed that they were imbibing the wrong spirit when they claimed to be annointed and therefore it would cancel out their claim.
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  blondie

  I see the QFR has been posted. According to the WTS interpretation of the first DF in the congregation, the man who was DF'd was anointed and when he came back he was still anointed. He did not become part of a secondary class in the first century.

  The most important thing to remember is that these are the WTS rules not God's.
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  IsaacJS2

  I'd rather see something more current on that. I was told they would not be anointed after "falling away" back in the 90s, but that QFR is from the 70s. You know the Society is run by a bunch of flip floppers.

  IsaacJ