If Creationism is true explain races.

by DeViL DriVeR 76 46 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • DeViL DriVeR 76
    DeViL DriVeR 76
    Humans have an innate ability to adapt to certain environmental situations but that doesn't change them into other species, in fact the genetic diffferences between the races are totally minimal. It's similar to hare, bears, wolves or foxes living in the arctic their fur is white to give then better camouflage in the snow.

    Well if thats the case why are australians white? I know the natives were not, I know the whites there were prisoners cast onto that island, and what about south africans? And asians, why are some asians eyes slanted like chinese and some arent like russians? As a matter of fact mongolia and russia border eachother yet the two countries inhabitants look nothing alike. If you take into account the amount of time man has been here on earth according to the bible, it gives no where near enough time for people's features to evolve to better cater to their environment.

  • DeViL DriVeR 76
    DeViL DriVeR 76

    *Forgot to add this*

    In no way am I saying you are wrong because I agree with you that we had to evolve to adapt. What I am saying is there is no way we could have evolved in such a short span of time between now and when the bible was written, and if we could evolve that shortly we would see people evolving today.

  • tmo1965
    tmo1965

    That's a good question. Consider Noah and his sons. They were 1 family and within them were all the various genes that we humans have today. At the time of the Tower of Babel, God scattered the various people according to the language He gave them. Each language group migrated to different parts of the world, which I believe was one large mass at that time, but that's a different discussion. Anyway, you get a different mix of dominant genes and over time, with intermarriage between these smaller groups, the dominate genes prevail until you get the various races we have today. Add to that, adaptations to the various environments and you will get additional differences accordingly.

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    ....and why is evolution not a form of creation? carmel

  • Marcel
    Marcel

    hey thats a topic i never swallowed completely.


    Even though ive heard plenty of talks about that topic i never was completely convinced.

    i mean we only had 6000 years (in fact fewer time... there was the flood you know) to create from one couple of humans a whole world population inklusive pygmies and eskimos. thats only 100 people that would need to know eachother to have a chain to adam himself from today (60 years of life of each person). and as we know the first humans were not many and have lifed even longer.


    additionally the humans have seperated after the tower of babel incident. not much time. and todays races are adapted to several enviroments. like sun (black skin, broader nose, curly hair). can you imagine that 600 generations (with a generation age of 10 years) could make the black continent africa BLACK? or northern europe WHITE? its not that you couldnt live as a white man in africa. it works well. but still enough time passed that the white race almost died out in africa. in modern times with fast travel and a "smaller" world everything mixed again a bit.


    sounds weired to me... but i cant know...

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    Here are two YouTube videos about the races, once from a creationist point of view, and another from an atheist's point of view:

    (Creationist) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDwuntmK1-0

    (Atheist) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ojygkX_U0

    Dave

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    The short answer of course is that creationism isn't true. The stories in the bible are myths like those of any other ancient people and don't accurately describe the world we inhabit.

    theinfamousone:

    well you see, some got sunburned and with time this became hereditary...

    I know you mean that tongue-in-cheek but it has been seriously suggested by creationists. However, in reality, inheritance of acquired characteristics has never been observed. Evolution works through the differential survival of individuals with different genetic traits.

    greendawn:

    It's similar to hare, bears, wolves or foxes living in the arctic their fur is white to give then better camouflage in the snow.

    Yes it is. They are both good examples of Darwinian evolution. As the environment changes, the allele distribution of the population changes accordingly.

    bob1999:

    Is the WTS still teaching that there is no such thing as evolution?

    No, lately they've borrowed from their fellow creationists and grudgingly accepted that "microevolution" can occur. However, they steadfastly refuse to accept that this process can be cumulative.

    Well if thats the case why are australians white? I know the natives were not, I know the whites there were prisoners cast onto that island, and what about south africans?

    DeViL DriVeR 76:

    Because these things take time. Europeans have only been in Australia for about ten generations, and also the selection pressure has to a large extent been eliminated by technology.

    If you take into account the amount of time man has been here on earth according to the bible, it gives no where near enough time for people's features to evolve to better cater to their environment.

    Correct. That's the irony, that creationists are forced into accepting a much higher rate of evolution than any evolutionist would accept.

    tmo1965:

    That's a good question. Consider Noah and his sons. They were 1 family and within them were all the various genes that we humans have today.

    That's not possible. There are more than eight alleles for certain genes. It is not possible for all the genetic diversity that exists among humans today to be expressed in only eight people. To get what we find today, you'd need a ludicrously high mutation rate of a sort that has never been observed in nature and would almost certainly lead to the species dying out.

    At the time of the Tower of Babel, God scattered the various people according to the language He gave them. Each language group migrated to different parts of the world, which I believe was one large mass at that time, but that's a different discussion.

    Of course, that's another "just so" story but 4,000 years ago the world was not "one large mass". The continents were pretty much as we observe them today.

    Anyway, you get a different mix of dominant genes and over time, with intermarriage between these smaller groups, the dominate genes prevail until you get the various races we have today.

    You sort of fudged that explanation. How exactly do you imagine this happens?

    Add to that, adaptations to the various environments and you will get additional differences accordingly.

    That's the real cause of the minor physical differences between humans, but evolution simply doesn't work fast enough to produce the effects we see within a biblical time scale. Either evolution happens much much faster than has ever been observed or theorised by any scientist, or the biblical stories are false.

    Carmel:

    ....and why is evolution not a form of creation?

    It could be, but it's not a very efficient form. Evolution appears in every measurable way to be Darwinian, not directional. It could be the product of a sadistic and/or apathetic god, but there's no reason to think so.

  • MadTiger
    MadTiger

    Genetic diversity is a part of our design.

    Adam and Eve probably looked like very good-looking Hebrews (educated guess), but they carried the genetic diversity sufficient for all types of skin tones, hair types, etc.

    For example: the different breeds of dogs come about through crossbreeding followed by generations of inbreeding, to bring out the desired characteristics that are locked within the genetic code.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Mad Tiger:

    Adam and Eve probably looked like very good-looking Hebrews (educated guess), but they carried the genetic diversity sufficient for all types of skin tones, hair types, etc.

    That simply isn't possible. There are more than four alleles for certain genes. So, either there has been unusually rapid mutation in humans - i.e. a higher than normal rate of evolution, or more likely, the story of Adam and Eve is just a story and as it was written by Bronze Age goatherds, we shouldn't expect it to correspond to the real world.

    For example: the different breeds of dogs come about through crossbreeding followed by generations of inbreeding, to bring out the desired characteristics that are locked within the genetic code.

    They also rely on a significant amount of mutation whereby new information is added to the genetic code.

  • MadTiger
    MadTiger

    Beneficial mutation has never been proven.

    NEVER.

    Crossbreeding dogs to get, for example, a Jack Russell Terrier, has happened.

    "Crossbreeding" (using the term again, albeit loosely, humans to get Halle Berry has happened.

    Beneficial MUTATION has never been proven.

    Four alleles, two, ten; does not take away from what I wrote above.

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