Misquoting Jesus-a must read

by dawg 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • dawg
    dawg

    I've read comments from those of you that still cling to the Bible stating that there's no merit in the Di Vinci Code's claim concerning the conference in Nicea in 325. We all know that book is fiction but like all great fiction, there's some truth behind the story. Some of you have made statements that the NT was actually written by the Apostles, which I refuted, and after asking for and not reciveing information from you believers any Bible scholars anywhere that would go on record saying they believed the NT was in fact written by the apostles; i decided to researcht he subject on my own. I could find no scholars that believed the apostles wrote the NT; as a matter of fact, they all said the apostles couldn't have written them. For you believers, the offer still stands, show me where any scholar-i'm talking a person in a secular position at any University that will state on record that he/she believes the apostles actually wrote the NT. I've just finished 6 books on the subject, all of the writers were sceptical of the NT's orgins; everyone of them agreed that the apostles didn't write the NT; everyone of them said the NT was filled with errors.

    In my mind, tHe best book by far was written by Bible scholar Bart D. Ehrman and is called "misquoting Jesus" his research shows the NT is filled with errors and was definatly used by the Catholic Church to further doctrines they already beleived before Nicea in 325. One early Bible scholar found over 30,000 errors from previous transcripts that conflicted with the NT message; he proved that transcribers changed the NT to their liking time and again. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone; the account in Luke which every Bible scholar now agrees shouldn't be in there becasue it wasn't on the earlier parchments is a prime example. Anyway, too much info to cover on a post; I'm still waiting for a believer to offer me a scholar that will state that they believe the NT is accurate and was written by the apostles.. Please check out this book if you already haven't; it was an amaizing read and also shows how error filled the NWT used by the WT is ands how error filled the NT is. HUff

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Agreed dawg.

  • gumby
    gumby

    First of all, most believers don't believe the apostles wrote ALL the books in the N.T. As an example...Paul was not an apostle, yet many books are attributed to him.

    Secondly, I agree with you in that the church was behind much of the writings of the N.T. for THEIR benifit. Had most of the apostles written the N.T., then aside from the gospels, they would have included stories about Jesus EARTHLY life and not just his heavenly life, yet NOT ONE of the bible books outside the gospels tell of Jesus earthly life.....something they would have most assuredly done to prove his existence since they were eye-witnesses to his earthly life. No stories of his birth, his death, his miracles, his speeches, nothing.

    Gumby

  • dawg
    dawg

    I understand what you're saying Gumby, but this is a post so I was trying to make it short and sweet. The crux of my argument is that no one can say how accurate the NT is and that none of the NT writings can be directly attributed to any of the Apostles; the cherry on top of that is how badly they were transcribed and changed. If you get a chance, read the book above mentioned.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Yes. Ehrman points out that the one thing we can count on as far as the NT goes is that it's all been changed.

  • aniron
    aniron
    One early Bible scholar found over 30,000 errors from previous transcripts that conflicted with the NT message; he proved that transcribers changed the NT to their liking time and again.

    Which Bible scholar? That sounds so Watchtowerish.

    If he found 30,000 errors from previous transcripts does that mean that those transcripts are still around for us to compare them?

    Has any other Bible scholar done the same research?

  • TheCoolerKing
    TheCoolerKing

    Thanks dawg!

    "Misquoting Jesus" will be the next book on my reading list. I'm currently reading "The God Delusion". Another interesting book...

    TCK

  • dawg
    dawg

    Aninon, Ehrman sounds like the WT? I think you better read the book; he's far, far removed from the WT. The book was written by a greek scolar that wanted to be a minister, but the errors in translation made him exit.

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    Certainly sounds like a good read dawg. Can't beat a good bit of textual criticism!!

    I work in a Christian bookstore and we have a few of Ehrman's books on our main supplier database, this is sufficient evidence to me that he is a respected evangelical scholar (and taught by Bruce Metzger no less!!) since the supplier vets everything before stocking it.

    This book isn't on the database but that's probably because it isn't available in the UK - I looked on Amazon UK and their price is quoted as a US$ conversion - a good indicator that it's not available here.

    I already have another book which goes along the same lines of Ehrman's - it's focused on the Gospels and sorts out what Jesus didn't say, can't remember what its called though - I'll check when I get home.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Yes, a very good book. But better is The Text of the New Testament the most recent edition of which Ehrman co-wrote with the late Bruce M. Metzger.

    Slim

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