..A Thought about Jesus,for Christians.. (page 2)

reneeisorym

And why is there a 'the' in "Follow THE Christ" Why couldn't it be "Follow Jesus Christ"

writetoknow

It is one of those teachings that seem to have logic, but remember logic is the first hidding place of a dishonest person.

Ok, here we go the teaching is based on JW's belief that there are two classes of people to be in God's kingdom. The anointed that rule with Christ during the 1000 years and the great crowd which come out of the great tribulation and are under the rule of Christ on earth and the 14400.

Now the anointed are the body of Christ and because Christ is the mediator between God and man the great crowd must go through the body of Christ which is part of Christ to have their sins removed during the 1000 rule of Christ.

At the end of the thousands years the Great Crowd will then be perfect and stand on their own before God no mediatorship will be needed at that time. Then Christ hands over the completely redeemed human race to his Father.

Now, some of the anointed make up the governing body - the pope on earh something like that.

From this teaching we have the mind control that exist within the org. of JW's. From this teaching most JW's have little knowledge of Christ personal role in their lives.

gumby

The society is so friggin paranoid about giving any credence at all to Jesus because they in no way want to border on anything trinity. This is why they live in the O.T. and rarely put much emphasis on the N.T. Jesus gets in the way of Jehovah and so they kick him to the curb when they can. In doing this it leaves them and Jehovah and they figure Jehovah ALWAYS had a spokesman for him(a channel)...Moses as an example.

Why is it so hard for many christian religious leaders to realise they do not need a modern day physical person or group to represent god?

Gumby

Doug Mason

People might know what Bible writers wrote, but we need to get behind the words and philosophies, and get to know the person who inspired the writers.

Beware of "bibliolatry". Instead, get to know the person who is behind it all.

The expression "Eternal Life" means to know God experientially (not doctrinally). Knowing God is not an emotion, it is not a feeling, it is a fact of being right with God, of knowing that God has accepted me, just as I am.

This is a gift from God that I cannot earn. It brings forth the fruit of love, joy, peace, and so on, against which there is no law.

Doug

OUTLAW

I can`t remember which poster it was..But..They made a point that stuck with me.."The word Organization is not in the Bible".....Did`nt Jesus say:"Where ever two or more are gathered in my Name."..That dosen`t sound like an organization..Perhaps there is a reason "Organization" is not mentioned in the Bible..Organizations go against the idea of Jesus as mediator,they set themselves up as mediator..That absolutley goes against what Jesus taught.....If you purposely go agaist the teachings of Jesus,how can you call yourself a Christian?...OUTLAW

kid-A

If you purposely go agaist the teachings of Jesus,how can you call yourself a Christian?...OUTLAW

Outlaw, I would challenge you to name a single modern day organization calling themselves "Christian(tm)" that is actually following, 100%, word-for-word, the precise, unerring philosphy and/or theology of Jesus Christ?

And what, prey tell, are the "teachings" of Jesus? Jesus himself did not write down a single word.....all that is left of his teachings are poorly translated ancient texts written by his small circle of followers, 2000 years ago. Did Jesus himself "spell out" the exact "criteria" as to what would constitute a "christian"? If so, where and when?

I would estimate that every single branch of organized christianity today has incorporated traditions and elements of ancient, PAGAN religious elements, be they greek or roman in origin. There is NO "pure" form of christianity today, with the possible exception of self-righteous ex-JW "christians" who believe they have somehow gained some exclusive, "pure" understanding of christianity. Ironically, these very ones betray the most basic elements of christian philosophy by setting themselves up as "judges" over others.

As an atheist, I could care less about who is and who is not a "christian", but it is laughably absurd to suggest that JWs are not simply another "sect" within Christendom, just as we would include Mormons, 7th day Adventists, Mennonites, etc etc. You are ALL drinking at the same bar, just ordering different cocktails! LOL.....

Finally, I have never in my life heard a JW prayer that did not end with the words "We ask all this through your son, Christ Jesus, Amen.".....Now, kinda sounds like a "mediator" role to me, would'nt you think? I was born and raised a JW and I can assure you, my entire life was "Jesus this and Jesus that", so this notion that JWs have no emphasis on Jesus life and death is ridiculous. Perhaps the Watchtower has its OWN "spin" on what this "mediator" role implies, but so does EVERY OTHER branch of christianity.

Open mind

Every so often the dubs will trot out Jesus, or in this case "The Christ" (wtf?), and do a little PR work to try convincing the public that they're Christian. It also gives dubs something to point to when people say "Hey, how come you guys never talk about Jesus?"

Just my $.02

Open Mind

OUTLAW

KidA..I agree with you..Every organization has it`s own twist on Jesus..I`m not a Christian..Just someone on the outside looking in.....Yeah I remember Jesus this and Jesus that,as a Dub Kid..And..Ending prayers in Jesus`s name.....It seems that was his total job though..An example..And..The end of a prayer.....You needed the WBT$ for anything else...OUTLAW

frankiespeakin

Doug,

The expression "Eternal Life" means to know God experientially (not doctrinally). Knowing God is not an emotion, it is not a feeling, it is a fact of being right with God, of knowing that God has accepted me, just as I am.
I alway thought "eternal life" meant eternal life, or unending life, can you tell me what dictionary you got this meaning from?

And as far as "Knowing God" I alway thought it meant to like, ah, know God,, like this:(Hey does any body know God? Well he's really not as bad as the bible makes him out to be, once you get to know God you find all that stuff written in the bible was just meant to scare you, keep you comming to church, take it from me I know him,, he wouldn't hurt a fly).

Now if it is a "fact" and not a "factoid" that to know God means to "be right with God", surely you have some evidence besides a "feeling" or "my preacher told me so" something solid and not just hear say. If not I will just put it in the catagory or "factoid".

tetrapod.sapien

"christians" asserting that other christians are not really christian, is so typically christian. thanks alot Irenaeus! i hope the orthodox strains burn themselves into the ground.

i mean, i am all for humanity spawning more Christs (Jesus of Nazareth was but one in a large group of people who have experienced "Christ Consciousness"). but all this: "my beliefs are more orthodox than yours, so i'm a xian and you're not!" - is BS.

tetra

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