by candidlynuts 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
i keep reading small bits here and there where people mention the " follow the christ" convention states the governing body is now " the christ"
can anyone clarify this or know which talk it is , have audio or video? any more information of any kind would be appreciated.
I would not put it past them to think they are the Christ. I have much more respect for the Associated Bible Students they are what some people mistakenly think are Jehovah's Witness's for this simple reason, they have kept to the same teachings and did not fluctuate and vacillate like the Witness's (GB) have, besides they don't seek to control you like slaves. http://www.biblestudents.net/food4jws/wt_history/
During our DC I never heard them explicitly say that the GB was the christ.
But I was up doing many different assignments, so it could have been slipped in there.
candidlynuts writes:
people mention the " follow the Christ" convention states the governing body is now " the Christ"
This was posted on another board by someone who had attended the convention...this was one of the Friday afternoon talks I believe
Not in so many words are they saying the governing body is now " the Christ "but it sounds to me like they are equating following the Christ with following the anointed and we know that means the governing body since the rest of the anointed have no say so in anything.
“They Keep Following The Lamb Wherever He Goes”
The theme of this talk was stated immediately: ‘Why we should have full confidence in the leadership of the anointed.’
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"but it sounds to me like they are equating following the Christ with following the anointed and we know that means the governing body since the rest of the anointed have no say so in anything.
Gee, I think they say that in every publication . At this point it's redundant. Their whole FDS dogma is hinged on being elected by christ to indoctrinate people .
sick stuff man. sick.
it's the DC in calgary this weekend. i hope the little puppies are all having a good time salivating over this new "spiritual food".
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christ: the alchemical fusion possible between the individual personality, the world, and the All-One. The "anointed" state that links the self with the SELF.
magdalene.wise1.com/terms.html
"Christ" means anointed in Greek (Messiah in Hebrew). All the 144,000 are said to be anointed in similar fashion as Jesus, Jesus being the head and the 144,000 being the body, together making the whole body, "The Christ." The 8,524 who "partook" at the LEM (memorial) this year are the remaining ones "remnant" of those on earth. The GB makes up part of the 144,000 but not all.
144,000 + Jesus = The Christ.
Look at some older WTS publications prior to 1945 and you will see that concept often.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/135083/1.ashx
*** w63 9/1 pp. 539-540 Names for Christ and His Congregation***
"THE CHRIST
"We come now to a consideration of those terms or titles that apply or are used to refer to Jesus Christ apart from his body members. Among those that might be mentioned as found in the Christian Greek Scriptures are "the Amen," "Faithful and True," "the Faithful Witness," "King of kings and Lord of lords," "the Lamb of God," "Leader," "the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah," "Lord," "Potentate," "Savior," and "the Word." Clearly, the designations here referred to apply, not to Jesus’ body members, but to Jesus himself, even as do his more commonly used names, "Jesus," "Jesus Christ" and "Christ Jesus."—Rev. 3:14; 19:11; 1:5; 19:16; John 1:29; Matt. 23:10; Rev. 5:5; 1 Pet. 3:15;1 Tim. 6:15; Luke 2:11; John 1:1; Matt. 1:21; Rom. 7:25; 8:1.
But what about the expressions "the Christ" and "Christ"? Does the use of the article with "Christ" designate something different from when no article is used? Might it be that, whereas the term "Christ" refers to Jesus Christ alone, the term "the Christ" could also include the 144,000 members of his body? Do the Scriptures support this thought or distinction?
No, they do not. Certainly Christ’s body members are not included in the words of Peter: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Then again, the 144,000 are said to rule "as kings with the Christ for a thousand years." How could they be said to be reigning with the Christ if they were a part of the Christ? Yes, there are many scriptures that distinguish between "the Christ" and the members of his body.—Matt. 16:16; Rev. 20:4.
In fact, the expression "the Christ" of itself at no time includes the members of Christ’s body.So the title "Christ," with or without the definite article, refers to Jesus Christ, the article serving to draw attention to or to emphasize his office as the Messiah. Christ is the Head and Bridegroom of the 144,000, his body or bride. That is why these ones are said to be "in union with Christ," to "belong to Christ," and to be "Christ’s body."—Rom. 12:5; 1 Cor. 3:23; 12:27.
The fact that Christians are said to be "in union with Christ" does not mean that they can be spoken of as "the Christ," anymore than the term "Lord" can be applied to them because children are told, "Be obedient to your parents in union with the Lord."—Eph. 6:1.
How, then, are we to understand 1 Corinthians 12:12? This reads: "Just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although being many, are one body, so also is the Christ." Does not the term "the Christ" in this instance include the body members? No, apparently not, for what Paul is here discussing is the body of Christ separate and distinct from its Head. That is why he sums up his argument in verse 27, saying: "Now you are Christ’s body, and members individually." At verse 12 Paul is evidently using an elliptical way of speaking in connection with the Christ, a form of speech not uncommon in the Scriptures. So we could paraphrase Paul’s words at 1 Corinthians 12:12 this way: ‘Just as the body, though being a single entity, has many members, so it is with the body of Christ, that is, those associated with or belonging to Jesus Christ.'
In other words, the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures do not make a distinction between "the Christ" and Jesus Christ. Illustrating this point is Ephesians 2:13, which says: "But now in union with Christ Jesus you who were once far off have come to be near by the blood of the Christ." Compare also Ephesians 1:10, 12, 20.
*** w59 5/1 p. 269 pars. 6-7 Attain Completeness in the New World Society ***The whole body under the direction of the head moves and acts as a beautifully co-ordinated unit, perfectly organized. In the same way Christ, the Head, employs the organization that is his body to carry out his assigned work. His orders reach the whole of the organization on earth through the governing body, and on down through the Branches to the congregations.—1 Cor. 12:12-18; Matt. 24:45-47. To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.
Thank you Blondie for that clarification. I should have known that...guess I wasn't that good a dub all those years after all
thanks for the replies.
like the way they explain Jesus not being our mediator its all muddled up in a lot of blah blah blah.
