False prophets or out-and-out liars??
Same difference.
'Millions that were living are now very, very dead'
APOLOGIES by real JW's: JW's are NOT False Prophets
by Terry 36 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Confession
Excerpts from a letter I wrote to my mother...
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So they have called themselves prophets, but to avoid scrutiny they have often repositioned the meaning of that term. When accused of being false prophets, they have explained that they never meant to suggest they were inspired and infallible prophets, and this should excuse them from any criticism over mistakes and miscalculations. Note this explanation…
“To such remnant of faithful servants of Jehovah God Christ Jesus has entrusted all “his goods”, or earthly interests of the Kingdom. This does not signify that the faithful remnant or society of Jehovah’s anointed witnesses are an earthly tribunal of interpretation, delegated to interpret the Scriptures and its prophecies. No; Christ Jesus the King has not entrusted that office to them. THE SUPREME COURT STILL INTERPRETS, thank God; and Christ Jesus, the Court’s official mouth-piece of interpretation, reserves to himself that office as Head of Jehovah’s “faithful and wise servant” class. He merely uses the “servant” class to publish the interpretation after the Supreme Court by Christ Jesus reveals it. How does the Lord God make known the interpretation? By causing the facts to come to pass visibly which are in fulfillment of the prophecy or dark saying or misunderstood scripture. Thereafter “in due season” he calls such fulfillment or clarification of prophecy and scripture to the attention of his “faithful and wise servant” class. Thereby he makes them responsible to make known the meaning of such scriptures to all members of the household of faith and to all persons of goodwill. This constitutes giving them “meat in due season.”” [Watchtower 1943, p. 203, underlining added]
What the heck are they actually saying here, Mom? The claim is made that Jesus has entrusted all his “earthly goods” to them and uses them to “publish” interpretations. But they are not actually doing the interpreting. No. God and Christ do so. Does this make sense? How is this different from any other religion whom the Watchtower Society itself would accuse of being a false prophet? Yes, even they are not suggesting their interpretations have come entirely from their own powers, but that they were supposedly supplied with them by God. Does this salvage their reputation with the Watchtower Society? Certainly not.
God and Christ have no need to interpret something for themselves that they have already set forth in the scriptures. It is we humans who need an interpretation. Who gives it to us? The Watchtower Society. So, the claim goes, God and Christ inspired the writing of the scriptures and supply the meaning of it to some in association with the Watchtower Society, and those men publish this meaning to the rest of us.
While they may disclaim being “inspired,” they definitely claim to be the one agency on earth to whom God is communicating. The one agency he has ‘made responsible’ to distribute his truths. They often refer to God’s “revealed truth.” If it is revealed, who revealed it? The assertion is that God revealed it. If God revealed it, how can it be anything other than inspired and infallible?
It’s an interesting line they walk. They claim not to be inspired, but they speak with the same amount of authority as if they are. They demand they be considered as if inspired, not even allowing the flock to question or have doubts about anything they teach without coming under scrutiny. Yet when accused of being false prophets, they then beg off from responsibility, escaping under a manufactured definition of what the word “prophet” means, suggesting that prophet doesn’t necessarily suggest divinely inspired prophet.
Easton’s Bible dictionary provides the same definition for “prophet” found anywhere else. It shows that the Hebrew word translated “prophet” is nabi. It meant “to bubble up as from a fountain,” hence “to utter.”“The "prophet" proclaimed the message given to him...(See Num. 12:6, 8.) Thus a prophet was a spokesman for God; he spoke in God's name and by his authority (Ex. 7:1).”
The meaning is not complex. Clearly this definition fits the position the Watchtower Society itself admits it has assumed. Again quoting from the 1943 Watchtower, “…he makes them responsible to make known the meaning of such scriptures…”
And what does the Bible say about such ones?
20 "'However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.' [Deuteronomy 18:20-22, NWT Reference Bible]
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wilber
The Watchtower can’t have it both ways, in some occasions they will claim divine authority and then they will turn around and just say “sorry we are humans, and we just made a mistake”. It is true that faithful men made errors as individuals in the past, but there is no evidence that as a Body or acting under inspiration and divine guidance they had to reverse themselves. To me this is just evidence that the GB knows as little of spiritual matters as anyone else.
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Nathan Natas
here is page 2 from the 1938 booklet FACE THE FACTS. God cannot lie, so whatever Judge Rutherford tells you is true.
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heathen
They have found that the Witnesses insist that those actively associating with them live by the Bible.
Ohh this is rich. Then why do they follow each other around and rat each other out to the elders all the time? Surprise it's an elder visit at christmas time .............
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BizzyBee
“We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425) “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157) “The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.” (August 15, 1950, page 263) “The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:1
Have not Jehovah’s Witnesses made errors in their teachings?
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets. They have made mistakes. Like the apostles of Jesus Christ, they have at times had some wrong expectations.—Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6.And yet,
the Witnesses insist that those actively associating with them live by the Bible.
............according to their interpretation, which they admit is fallible!
This is why I no longer worship the WTS.
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outnfree
"Why have there been changes over the years in the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses?
The Bible shows that Jehovah enables his servants to understand his purpose in a progressive manner. (Prov. 4:18; John 16:12) Thus, the prophets who were divinely inspired to write portions of the Bible did not understand the meaning of everything that they wrote. (Dan. 12:8, 9; 1 Pet. 1:10-12) The apostles of Jesus Christ realized that there was much they did not understand in their time. (Acts 1:6, 7; 1 Cor. 13:9-12) The Bible shows that there would be a great increase in knowledge of the truth during “the time of the end.” (Dan. 12:4) Increased knowledge often requires adjustments in one’s thinking. Jehovah’s Witnesses are willing humbly to make such adjustments. - Reasoning Book "
I never understood why the other Christian religions were not worthy of Jehovah God's patience with regard to "increasing knowledge" and then humbly making adjustments in their thinking as the light got "brighter and brighter." After all, these members of "Christendom" DO make adjustments and the Roman Catholic Church, for one, publishes the "New Light" as Papal encyclicals, or new doctrine, etc. Why can't Witnesses agree to "love their neighbors as themselves" by allowing Christendom sufficient time to come to whatever the "correct" understanding may be? After all, Christ showed great patience with those slow-witted apostles, did he not?
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heathen
Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers.
LMAO , yah another gem here . Then why don't they just say it's their opinion and leave it at that ? I tell you why because then they lose control over the followers so now they put up some smoke and mirrors and everybody pretends that God communicated with org. some "new light" . It seems like they go through alot of trouble with a bunch of un needed circular reasonings on it. I've never seen any signs of repentance for misinterpretations from the leaders.
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OUTLAW
Terry..Good morning from the Great White North!..Actually the JW`s are not false prophets,,They are fools who listen to false prophets (The WBT$)and repeat what they have been told,from door to door..LOL!!...Good thread,I like it...OUTLAW
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Quandry
Thus, the prophets who were divinely inspired to write portions of the Bible did not understand the meaning of everything that they wrote. (Dan. 12:8, 9; 1 Pet. 1:10-12) The apostles of Jesus Christ realized that there was much they did not understand in their time. (Acts 1:6, 7; 1 Cor. 13:9-
Yes, but the prophets of old did not write stuff that did not come true as the WT has continuously done throughout years and years.
The fact is that if you do not believe every word coming from the FDS then you are apostate. Against God. But then when the teachings change, when "the light gets brighter," now you MUST believe the "NEW LIGHT." And so it just goes on and on........they just keep thinking up new light to cover over the "old light" that was obviously thought up by Rutherford or Russel, such as the 1925, 1975 dates and "the generation" thing.
You must believe them. But they are not saying that they don't make mistakes.
But they are saying that the FDS is a prophet class. But they never claimed to be prophets like Paul.
But they are the chosen channel of God to dispense spiritual information. But the men who write are not infallable.
But your life depends on following the direction of the FDS.
I just goes on and on in a great circle..........
