Iranian Women "Honored" on Thursday ! (page 2)

stealyourface

If the Iranians are so damn upset with Western nations trying to impose their will in the Middle East, then why are they trying to dictate their form of morality to "the West"?
How are they trying to do that? Criticizing is not dictating.
~Merry

No, criticizing is not dictating, but kidnappings, beheadings, assination in the streets (Pym Fourtune, Theo VanGoh), bombings, pushing the envelope on airliners (Minneapolis 6), demanding special accomodations (public funded footbaths), special consideration in schools for prayer is.

Merry Magdalene

If the Iranians are so damn upset with Western nations trying to impose their will in the Middle East, then why are they trying to dictate their form of morality to "the West"?
How are they trying to do that? Criticizing is not dictating.
~Merry
No, criticizing is not dictating, but kidnappings, beheadings, assination in the streets (Pym Fourtune, Theo VanGoh), bombings, pushing the envelope on airliners (Minneapolis 6), demanding special accomodations (public funded footbaths), special consideration in schools for prayer is.

Iran/Iranians did all that? Perhaps you are thinking of Muslims in general here and not the Iranian government or Iranians specifically, which is what my question and statement were referencing.

~Merry

Rabbit

~Merry

Out of curiosity, what sect of Islam do you belong to ? What do you think about Sharia Law ? Is it something only fundamentalist Muslims adhere to ? In my other post about FGM you seemed a little quiet about your own beliefs about the subject, so, what do you believe ? Would you consider circumcision for yourself...if it was "required" by your faith ?

I don't mean to be too personal and I'm not trying to fight. It just seems to me (who has a lot to learn) women already have hard enough times as it is in other male-dominated religions...Islam takes women rights's backwards, imho.

Rabbit

quietlyleaving

Rabbit

As a JW in the not too distant past what was your attitude to women?

Rabbit

Quietlyleaving
Rabbit
As a JW in the not too distant past what was your attitude to women?

Good question. I was always sure that I was 'better' than the average guy. I know I was better (nicer) than my Dad. But, I was surprised when my children (who shun me) told me years later that, "...you used to be so controlling...everything had to be your way." Yet, today they cannot understand 'why?' I have changed so much for the better. That makes me wonder just how bad I really was...I do know I thought I was doing what God wanted. The man was supposed to be the boss and I tried to model myself after the other men in the congregation. My kids know I don't go to the KH anymore, suspect apostasy and yet don't/won't make the obvious connection on 'how' I've changed so much -- for the better. I'm not DF/DA. Rabbit

Gopher

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, also lambasted the West for using women as a tool to advertise products, make money and to satisfy "disorderly and unlawful sexual needs," state television said.

This is where the Ayatollah tries to dictate to the West. Most religious leaders have enough to worry about trying to keep their own flock in line with their teaching. The Ayatollah seems to think his realm extends to the whole world.

And does his own country, which he influences greatly, actually care about the freedom or feelings of its women when it whips them for getting out of line (as shown in the next quote box)?

Although women are legally entitled to hold most jobs in Iran, it remains a male-dominated society. They cannot run for president or become judges but in recent years they have started to work in police and fire departments.
On Monday, an Iranian court sentenced a women's rights activist to almost three years in jail and 10 lashes for attending a banned rally, her lawyer said on Tuesday.

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gopher

compare this

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, also lambasted the West for using women as a tool to advertise products, make money and to satisfy "disorderly and unlawful sexual needs," state television said.

with this

http://www.quietmountainessays.org/Onyejekwe.html

Today, the media industry is worth billions of dollars. Examples of such corporations include, General Motors
Corporation, the world’s largest company that now sells more graphic sex films every year than Larry Flynt,
owner of the Hustler empire; DirecTV, a subsidiary of General Motors; EchoStar Communications Corporation;
AT&T Corporation, America’s biggest communications company; and Cybervision, a film production company
based in Cape Town, South Africa. Armed with new technology, these corporations are increasingly able to
spend more money on sophisticated ways to sell their products. This situation has exacerbated media
homogenization of women’s images, resulting in the link between pornography and advertising becoming
increasingly blurred ((Maria del Nevo 2000). The consequences, del Nevo points out, are that: “References to
obscenity and indecency cited in many codes of conduct or self-regulatory guidelines are no longer applicable.
The general observation is that the depiction of women as objects of desire in advertising effects gender relations
and society’s attitudes towards women and women’s sexuality” (Patrick Stewart (Star Trek actor) cited by
Jeremy Lovell, The Independent Online Newspaper [IOL], 5 March 2004) Realizing the enormous problems
women face in this regard, the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China in 1995 identified the
continued projection of negative and degrading images of women as a critical area of concern in the Platform of
Action. Yet, five years after Beijing, some of the same concerns still remain

Also we criticise them freely - why can't they criticise us.

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rabbit

Quietlyleaving
Rabbit
As a JW in the not too distant past what was your attitude to women?
Good question. I was always sure that I was 'better' than the average guy. I know I was better (nicer) than my Dad. But, I was surprised when my children (who shun me) told me years later that, "...you used to be so controlling...everything had to be your way." Yet, today they cannot understand 'why?' I have changed so much for the better. That makes me wonder just how bad I really was...I do know I thought I was doing what God wanted. The man was supposed to be the boss and I tried to model myself after the other men in the congregation. My kids know I don't go to the KH anymore, suspect apostasy and yet don't/won't make the obvious connection on 'how' I've changed so much -- for the better. I'm not DF/DA.

I'm trying to understand the point I was trying to make - lol.

What concerns me is the thought that here in the west despite secularisation we haven't as yet been able to rein in fundamentalism. How can we expect countries like Iran that are dominated by fundamentalism to fare any better.

I wonder, in order to make progress in the direction of secularisation, what the obstacles are that they have to deal with.

Imo the populations of those countries have to be feeling more confident with their lot in life before they start to make a stand against the stranglehold that fundamentalism has on them. When disaster strikes through drought, disease, crops failing etc people's natural tendency is turn to religion. Disasters of that nature happen more in the tropics than they do in temperate zones.

Perhaps I'm being a little naive here but I'm open to being set right.

I have changed so much for the better. That makes me wonder just how bad I really was...I do know I thought I was doing what God wanted. The man was supposed to be the boss and I tried to model myself after the other men in the congregation.

I wonder if the time will come when we'll hear Iranian men and women wondering as we do how they could have done the things they did in the name of fundamentalism.

qtlg

Rabbit

quietlyleaving

I'm trying to understand the point I was trying to make - lol.

LOL...me, too. It was a pretty big, general question, but, I tried to guess what you were looking for.

What concerns me is the thought that here in the west despite secularisation we haven't as yet been able to rein in fundamentalism. How can we expect countries like Iran that are dominated by fundamentalism to fare any better.

Bingo ! Christian fundamentalists cannot see their own faults, nor can they see what harm their beliefs cause. But, they sure can points fingers of blame, at the faults and harm others' beliefs cause. Islam, imo, does the very same thing...their priorities are different...they go way overboard being so strict on women and sexual stuff.

I wonder if the time will come when we'll hear Iranian men and women wondering as we do how they could have done the things they did in the name of fundamentalism.

I think that generations of people will have to live and die, slowly evolving away from such draconian dogma. For me...totally, finally getting away from people that live and spew fundamentalist ideas, including any Bible or Koran thumpers is the only way to revert back to a human decency... I think most people are born with.

Rabbit (of the ...don't need no steenking book to be a good guy class)

stillajwexelder

Hamas are milking the media after "releasing" the BBC journalist. Nothing as hypocritical as a muslim

Iranian Women "Honored" on Thursday !

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