Revelation Its Grand Climax At Hand! Another Angel!

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  • Sarah Smiles
    Sarah Smiles

    Here is the reason why I am not a Jehovah Witness! I hope you like my post.

    A SWEET A BITTER MESSAGE

    “And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrising, having a seal of the living God…”

    Though this fifth angel is not named, all the evidence indicates that he must be the glorified Lord Jesus. Revelation Climax, page 115 paragraph 7.

    Q Who Is This Fifth Angel? It is evidently the glorified Jesus Christ in another role.

    And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet were as fiery pillars, 2 and he had in his hand a little scroll opened. And he set his right foot upon the sea, but his left one upon the earth, NWT. Revelation 10:1.

    5 And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer, Revelation 10:5, 6.

    The glorified Jesus swears not by himself, but by the highest Authority of all, Jehovah, Revelation Climax pg, 157paragraph, 10.

    Go; take the opened scroll that is in the hand of the angel… And I went away to the angel…” Revelation 10:8

    The opened scroll that the glorified Jesus Christ gives to John. Revelation Climax pg 158, paragraph 16.

    7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi´cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. Revelation 12:7

    Who Is Michael? Michael means Who Is Like God? …Interestingly, the title “archangel’ is used elsewhere in the Bible with reference to only one person: Jesus Christ.Revelation Climax pg 180, paragraph 16.

    My Q: The WTBTS borrowed One Who Is Like God from the Catholics, the Catholics borrowed the meaning from the Jewish scholars. What scriptures did the Jewish scholars use to come up with the meaning of Michael? How come the John class did not noticed how the Jewish scholar came up with Who Is Like God?

    “And I saw, and, look! A white cloud, and upon the cloud someone seated like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. And another angel emerged from the temple sanctuary…” Rev 14:14-16. And another angel… and still another angel. Rev 14: 17, 18 see Rev. Climax page 212 para 24.

    How many another Angels are there in the book of Revelations

    ! See Revelation Climax page 115, paragraph 7. J

    Angel speaking to John:

    10 At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he (angel) tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! All I am is a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing to Jesus. Worship God; for the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying.” Rev, 19:10

    Did Jesus rebuke John not to do obeisance with the eleven disciples? See Mathew 28:16 so why would an angel warn him? Because he was a fellow slave? Is Jesus a fellow slave (another angel, strong angel, or archangel) witnessing to himself, or do the angels bear witness to Jesus?

    Are the following angels slave for the witness to Jesus: Strong Angel or Mighty Angel, Another Angel, and Michael the Archangel.

    There is no room in pure worship for worship of the angels or even for relative worship, directing worship to God via some “saints” or angel. Rev, Climax book page 278, para 21.

    Q What attitude should Christians have toward angles? Rev, Climax page 278, para 21. There is no room in pure worship for worship of the angels or even for relative worship, directing worship to God via some “saint” or angel.

    According to the John class: The apostles John, who wrote down Revelation, describes himself as such a slave. “He was the last surviving slave apostle and one of the select spirit-anointed group of slaves.” Revelation Climax page 15, para, 3.

    Let no man deprive YOU of the prize who takes delight in a [mock] humility and a form of worship of the angels, “taking his stand on” the things he has seen, puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind, Colossians 2:18

    Does worshiping include bowing head or obeisance?

    16 However, the eleven disciples went into Gal´i·lee to the mountain where Jesus had arranged for them, 17 and when they saw him they did obeisance, but some doubted. 18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Mathew 28:16

    1. Obeisance - respectful gesture: a gesture of respect or deference, e.g. a bow of the head (formal)

    Encarta ® World English Dictionary

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    Why did the disciples doubt? Did the disciples do obeisance on regular bases?

    Bright Light Moment: Who would have guessed that we were bowing our heads at the meetings yet the apostles hesitated to even do this with the resurrected Jesus!

    If John was the Apostle John of Christ time, did he bow down to Christ? Did Christ rebuke him? Did the angel in Revelations 19:10 rebuke Apostle John?

    Jehovah referring to Jesus:

    4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

    5 For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” Hebrew 1:4-6.

    Can angels do obeisance (bow) to Jesus?

    But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.” Hebrew 1:8 see other bible verses

    REVIEW QUESTIONS

    Who is another angel?

    Who is the fifth angel and is he the Glorified Jesus Christ?

    Was Jesus identified separate from another angel? Rev 14:14-16

    Is the strong angel the Glorified Jesus Christ?

    Is Michael, Jesus Christ? I think this has been beat up too much! I say no!

    If the WTBTS really believes that Michael is Jesus then why use Jesus 2000 year old name?

    In the Revelation Climax book, how many angel roles does Jesus play?

    Should angels or humans worship, obeisance, or bow to other slaves?

    Does angels or humans worship, obeisance, or bow to Jesus?

    Did a fellow slave warn John about bowing down to Angels?

    When was the time of fulfillment of the vision regarding another strong angel, evidently Jesus, and John eating the little scroll? :-)

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC
    Revelation Its Grand Climax At Hand!

    alt sounds naughty !!

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    I hope someone has some towels to clean up that mess!

  • Sarah Smiles
    Sarah Smiles

    Out side of the word Climax how about all those angels? Jesus are not?

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    Sarah Smiles:

    Thank you Sarah for putting all of that research together! We appreciate your hard work!

    Atlantis & Nevada-

  • Sarah Smiles
    Sarah Smiles

    Thank you Atlantis: I was hoping that some people who are having doubts and are attending the book study would read this topic!

    I think I am going to change the subject line and re-post it.

  • zack
    zack

    The more I read the literature, the more I feel I deserve a swift kick in the ass for beleiving it for so long.

  • Sarah Smiles
    Sarah Smiles

    Zack!

    Do you want one of my pointed toe high heals or how about steal toed boot! Wew!

    How come J.W. do not see this stuff?

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    It is embarrassing that we believed all that.

    Thanks for all the effort in putting that together Sarah.

  • Sarah Smiles
    Sarah Smiles

    You are welcome!

    I thought the J.W. only believed he was one angel, Michael.

    Give me those Towels! I am so mad at the WTBTS errr! I need to wipe my forehead!

    But sometimes I start to think that maybe I read it wrong! of I miss understood something! that really is the mess that needs to be cleaned up!

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