Wearing a suit at the beach on a desert island

by ozziepost 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Just came back home from visiting some south Pacific islands. You know how it is - balmy winds blew through the palm trees, soft white sandy beaches, azure seas. Then there were the natives - men with faces painted, spears in hand reminding us that it was only a generation ago that they were cannibals.. And they wore.....well, not much!

    In our group of visitors to this piece of paradise was a well-known JW elder and his wife. every day on the voyage to the islands he'd worn his "elder suit" ("let the reader use discernment" ) and we'd thought, "Surely he's going to relax a bit on the islands?"

    Did he? Not likely!

    Just imagine the scene, can you? wearing business clothes while strolling a desert island!! How incongruous can you get?

    Yet what are "loyal™" dubs told to do?

    Remember this? It's an account from the 1992 Yearbook from the Solomon Islands, not too far from where we were.

    Elson Site, formerly a circuit overseer and now a special pioneer with a family of eight children, explains what conditions are like in some of these areas: "It is the custom among the tribes to wear little clothing or none at all, and anyone wearing clothing who visits such a village is viewed with suspicion and often barred from entering the village." How would they tackle this sensitive situation? Elson continues: "On one occasion a group from a small congregation arrived at a village to preach, and the chief objected to the wearing of any clothing by either brothers or sisters while in the village. The brothers explained that it was not a Christian custom to go naked. Since they had travelled all this distance to share some important information from God's Word, they would very much like to solve this small problem that was preventing his people from hearing some good news. The chief conferred with the older men of the village for quite a long time and finally decided that it would not be possible for the brothers to preach to the villagers on that day. But arrangements were made to make future visits more successful. The villagers promised to build a leaf house just outside the village boundary so that the brothers and sisters, fully clothed, could use the house to meet with any of the village people who wished to come to the house to hear what the Bible teaches. This system worked quite well, as the villagers enjoy talking about spiritual things."

    Yep, we were in that region of the Pacific and what we saw at first hand showed us how ridiculous are these 'laws' that bind men and women to Dubdom.

    Of course, the elder we observed would have been thinking he was being faithful and loyal; after all, he's been told this, (it's taken from the article "Make Wise Use of Your Christian Freedom" in the June 1st, 1992 issue of "The Watchtower™"):

    "Some may agree that at meetings and in field service, they should be careful about how they dress, but they may feel that Bible principles do not apply at other times. Do we, though, ever cease to be representatives of God's Kingdom?..............When we are at leisure, we will likely dress in a more relaxed fashion. But whenever we are seen by others, our clothing should always be well arranged and modest."

    Yet what does it look like? Probably Witnesses may consider it 'natural' but in doing so, haven't they adopted a 'uniform' in much the same way as the Mormons are identified by theirs?

    Ironically, the "Awake!™" of November 8, 1995 says this:

    "Mormon missionaries, with their lapel name badges, are a familiar sight around the world."

    Reminds me of these words:

    "They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." - Matthew 23:4 (TNIV)

    Ozzie (Freedom lovers class)

    Freedom means not having to wear a tie.

  • Pubsinger
    Pubsinger

    hilarious!

    Didn't it ruin your trip having him there?

    Or, as I'm assuming, he didn't know you so it was quite entertaining!

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    You are having a great life by the sounds of things Ozzie.

    Your story reminds me of when I was a Dub and pioneering on Thursday Island. We used to have to wear a tie to the meeting and Witnessing. I went for a job interview at the local bank wearing my JW tie and the manager laughed at me and told me to take it off, you don't wear ties in the tropics. JWs think their dress code is a great witness, but often it makes them look conspicuously wierd.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day pubsinger:

    Or, as I'm assuming, he didn't know you so it was quite entertaining!

    Actually we know each other very well having socialised in our dub days, so we saw a great deal of the snubbing that goes with their DF procedures. Imagine it, on a desert island in the middle of the ocean and you still get them (in meeting clothes, of course!) doing the "I won't speak to you" caper!

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day jwfacts!

    'owyergoin mate?

    often it makes them look conspicuously wierd.

    Yes, I'm seeing tht more and more. We didn't realise so much perhaps when we were 'in' but now we are able to be on the outside looking at them, the more they are looking quite ridiculous.

    The other week, we saw a witnessing group (musta been a CO visit!!!) of about a dozen slowly walking down the street and really they looked stupid, all done up in what to the community are strange clothes.

    I suspect that over time the more the gulf will widen. Rather like the Amish community in the States. That's my gut feeling, anyway.

    Ironically, it's the very 'casualness' of christian groups (as the WT has put it) that has made them identify with the community and remain relevant.

    The Dubs are more and more an irrelevancy.

    Cheers, ozzie

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    The Dubs are more and more an irrelevancy.

    Yep. Welcome back Ozzie and Mrs Ozzie.

    I still don't get it - why was this elder wearing 'service clothes' while on vacation. Even all the articles, some mentioned, would not have moved me to do such a silly thing when I was a dub - unless I was on a 'witnessing cruise' of some sort. Your analogy to the Amish is a good one. I live in Amish country - and though I tend to love and respect those people - I don't see many converts donning 'plain' clothes and trading in the auto for a buggy. Don't see many converts to the Jw's either come to think of it.

    Jeff

  • Pubsinger
    Pubsinger
    Actually we know each other very well having socialised in our dub days

    You don't think he was dressing up for your benefit?

    Don't know how you coped though.

    Would have ruined my holiday getting snubbed. Usually I don't care.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day Jeff,

    I still don't get it - why was this elder wearing 'service clothes' while on vacation.

    No, I don't 'get it', either. Day after day after day it went on. It never changed. Funny thing is that there were shipboard 'events' that called for change of dress, like a formal night or two, an island night, a country & western night, etc etc but still there was no change. Must be always ready for "theocratic™" activity, I s'pose.

    I don't know what looked more of a 'stand out' the native man dressed in nothing but his penis sheath or the 'elder' in his meeting clothes!!!!!!

    Cheers mate, Ozzie

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I agree that it is totally ridiculous to wear a suit and tie in a tropical island. Their custom dictated little or no clothing: modesty might have been served by wearing a neat pair of shorts and a T-shirt that was in good condition. After all, this is the tropics, and it is not influenced by the New York standard as Brooklyn is. I wonder if those stupid idiots that make those rules realize that not all customs even embrace our suits and ties.

    This would be a lot like having those in the tropics having to give a witness nearly naked in a far Northern country in winter. For sure, it is no more appropriate to be dressed up in city clothes in a tropical island than it is to be dressed for the tropical island in a place like Fairbanks, Alaska in the middle of winter. Besides looking possibly offensive, those people are at risk of heat stroke if they don't dress down in hot weather.

    Aside the clothing issue, I thought the purpose of going to these places is to relax and enjoy oneself. On a vacation, there is no room for spending it all on service (otherwise, it is not a vacation). If they are missionaries going just to preach, then they should have paid attention to local customs of dress and grooming. And you are going to have to slow down: in these places, there is no room for people to screech around at 160 MPH to make disciples when the norm is to relax. It's a wonder they didn't just get thrown off the island and into the water, where the sharks would take care of them. Maybe they could try witnessing to the sharks, dressed up in those &$^&ing suits.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day Wiz!

    On a vacation, there is no room for spending it all on service (otherwise, it is not a vacation).

    Actually they weren't doing the witnessing thing - they were there for the vacation. The thing is, they're stuck to wearing the 'uniform' no matter where they are.

    Their custom dictated little or no clothing: modesty might have been served by wearing a neat pair of shorts and a T-shirt that was in good condition.

    Yes, indeed! Fashion's such a silly thing, isn't it? After all, when you look at it, a business suit is hardly the most practical of designs - and as for those ties, well! Ties are simply throwbacks to the time when the well-to-do needed to blow their noses! hardly an auspicious start for such a hallowed piece of men's formal dress!

    As you say, imposing a style of dress on another culture as if God is pleased with that seems crass in the extreme to me. It also portrays the God they claim to 'represent™ ' in a totally false light. As if God cares what you wear!!!

    They've clearly learned nothing from all their meetings.

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