Another example of WT coverup!!!! Proof of Deciept!!!!! And why it matters.

by Lady Liberty 25 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • stev
    stev

    Since Conley was wealthy, he had the most shares and therefore was President, but it is likely that Russell even from the beginning because he was Editor had the more authority. Russell's money was tied up in his business and was not liquid. Conley perhaps donated much money to the cause, and perhaps after 1881 became disappointed that the rapture had not taken place and more followers had come in, and lost interest. By 1884, the corporation was felt to be necessary because some might be glorified first and leave the earth but the others would be left to continue the work, so the corporation. Russell had sold his business and had more money to buy shares.

    Conley later had ties with the Presbyterian Church and/or Christian Missionary Alliance, yet wrote Russell the letter in 1894. This is somewhat strange, also mentions the no-ransom people - this probably refers to John H Paton, who parted company with Russell in 1881, "denied the ransom" but engaged in paper wars with Russell and shared a common readership.

    Perhaps Conley acted as a spiritual mentor or guide for Russell in his youth, and they parted spiritual company but yet remained amicable.

    There is not enough known about Conley to constitute a coverup. This is a case of early JW history that has become lost and obscure.

  • Burger Time
    Burger Time

    I don't see what the huge deal is.

  • heathen
    heathen

    The big deal would be that Russell is revered as the pastor that was originally chosen to start the bible students and then later the WTBTS . I think some others have said that the bible students still exist . They did have the zions wathctower and golden age magazines which are the WT and Awake today.

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    I don't have time to read the full thread but my thoughts after brief review are that is most likely a legal technicality that is leveraged to somehow discredit Conley.

    According to the aricles referenced in the opening post, Conley was president of 'Zion's Watch Tower' whereas Russell was president of 'Watch Tower ...'

    Of course, using this logic, we could also discredit Russell once the name changed to 'Watchtower' (all one word).

    Could there possibly be something more-embarrassing during Conley's governership than Russells mysticism...??? Sheer speculation. I do not have any incite and, while the name sounds familiar, I don't think I knew about Conley being president.

    Surely this is all just legal rationale for some self-serving purpose. Corporations and people do it all the time.

    -Aude Sapere (Dare to Know; yadda yadda...)

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Good evening all..

    Thank you for your input. You may find this very interesting straight from Barbara Anderson on a earlier thread:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/99745/1.ashx

    Great material on Conley, West70. When I was researching for the Proclaimer's book, I had GB permission to go anywhere in Bethel to search for Watchtower historical or archival material. During one research expedition, I made an extraordinary find, that of the first accounts book of the Watch Tower Association, established in 1881. I found the book buried in old files which were in file cabinets located in the concrete vault in the middle of the Treasury Dept. at 25 Columbia Heights in Brooklyn. And nobody in Bethel knew it was there. And the dead don't tell tales! It is a small red cardboard-covered spiral notebook. On the backside of the cardboard cover was a folded sheet which had been glued there. When I opened the cover and unfolded the sheet, I saw the first charter of the WT Society. It probably hadn't seen the light of day in many, many decades. The charter was handwritten in beautiful script. Later, when I compared the handwritings of people in the early Bible Student group, I found that it was Maria Russell who penned the charter. It was a thrilling discovery and really took the men, who were working on the Proclaimer's book, by surprise. Nobody, and I'll say it again, Nobody knew that Conley was the first president of the Watchtower Society.

    The book also revealed that Joseph Russell, C.T. Russell's father, was the vice-president, and C. T. was secretary-treasurer. The positions were attained by buying shares and the person who purchased the most shares at $10.00 per share became president, etc. I think Conley purchased $3,500 or $4,000 worth of shares, but I just can't trust my memory. However, I'm certain that Joseph Russell bought $1,000 worth of shares, or 100 shares because I verified that information through another source. And I think C. T. Russell bought 50 shares or $500.worth of shares, but don't quote me on that. The accounts book was only in my hand for a short period of time and in the excitement I didn't reopen the book to take a second look but took it directly to Karl Adams in the Writing Department.

    One thing for sure, in 1884, C. T. Russell owned the most shares when he and Mrs. Russell chartered the new Pennsylvania corporation because he became president.

    During my last day at work before I permanently left Bethel, David Iannelli, a senior writer, came up to me to say goodbye. He thanked me for my work with the Writing Department and said I should be very proud because if it wasn't for my research, nobody would have known that C. T. Russell was not the first president of the Watchtower Association, rather Conley was. I certainly was happy to have discovered that and many other historical facts previously not known by the modern-day group of JWs. But the happiness was fleeting because it was about a year later that I began to learn the facts about the Watchtower's sexual child abuse cover-up and every good thing I thought I had accomplished in "God's" organization became as nothing in my eyes.

    Barbara

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Here are more comments from Barbara:

    Eduardo,

    I'm certainly not taking credit for being the only person to rediscover the historical place of Wm Conley in Watch Tower world. West70 had it correct when he pointed out that I was merely saying that the information was unknown to JWs, even to the organization's historical "experts," who worked in the Writing Department and, one would think, should have known about Conley.

    To my way of thinking, Conley is just a small blip in the 126-year Watch Tower of Pennsylvania historical time frame, but I do believe that he should be of interest to historians, those who make it their business to compile accurate historical information about the formation and growth of religions in the United States. In fact, we who have new information should feel duty bound to provide it to historians. Found on library shelves are studies of every sort of religious organizations for the serious student to look at. Conley belongs to the early history of the Bible Students and should be added into any definitive record of this unique American religion, which, through a schism gave birth to a new movement that came to be called Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Karl Adams apparently didn't think Conley was very important because he sort of slipped him in "Proclaimers" where least expected. It was better to do it that way than to spend time and effort to find out how Mr. Conley fit into the early Bible Student movement, which would mean that "Proclaimers" would have been the result of a serious attempt to corroborate what is known about the past. But doing that is just not the way the leaders at Watchtower operate. They just move forward, without seriously looking back to see if they erred, hoping no one else does either, and continue to print whatever dribble about the past that the flock likes to hear which, of course, has to fit with the rest of their written revisionist history.

    If anybody should know about Mr. Conley, one would think it should be one of the keepers of the Bible Students' history, such as Mr. Parkinson, or maybe Rolando R who frequently posts on JWD. It could be that this Conley business was known to one or both of them before it appeared in "Proclaimers." I just never thought to ask! Perhaps RR might like to tell us what he knows about Mr. Conley.

    West 70:
    I have information that Russell was accepted by the business community as an upstanding fellow businessman. In the 90s, he very well could have been offered banking investment opportunities. I think I have some very difficult to find material from the divorce transcript that you might not have, and it's there that the judge makes some interesting remarks about the character of the Russells. I also have some other proof of my observations. However, I'm not going to discuss it here.

    Barbara

  • JW_Researcher
    JW_Researcher

    George Washington was not the first president of the United States either yet he is often referred to as such.

    (see http://www.constitutionfacts.com/index.cfm?section=foundingFathers&page=fascinatingFActs.cfm )

  • steve2
    steve2

    Russell was the firstpresident of the Watchtower Society after it became an incorporated society. Any one who seizes upon that fact and calls it deceit (correct spelling) needs to study Introduction to the Law 101. Talkk about making a mountain out of a mole. End of story.

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Before the Watchtower Society was a legally incorporated society, Conley was its president; afterit became a legally incorporated society, Russell was its president. Where's the contradiction? What's the big deal?

    To use this as part of a coverup smacks of desperation. Move on.

    Dear Steve 2,

    I 100% disagree with you! Upon closer examination of the Societys literature you would infact see the point I am making, and let me assure you I am hardly desperate to find deciept within the Watchtower! If you have done any amount of research you know that deciept lies around almost every corner. But in my opinion this is infact another clear example of the Watchtower trying to hide their past!

    Take for example if you were to use the Watchtower CD ROM (I used 2003 version) and type in the search bar "Conley", only one reference comes up and that is that one sentence I highlighted in my original post. No where else is there ANY mention of him ANYWHERE! WHY?? Here he was the Zions Wachtowers First President..why do we know nothing about him? Infact I bet most if not all here knew nothing of him when they were in the Borg. Yet if you say the name "Russell", every one knows who he was. Were you aware that Russel finally had enough money to "buy" his presidency when they incorpoated?? You see my point? Why is all this hidden? And why is it ones like myself who do care about the past only find the truth here on a so called "apostate" websites like JWD? Why do we not find the real truth about the early Bible students from their own pages? We both know the answer to that is that they have too much to hide. This maybe a little thing compared to other bigger issues, but the fact that you can't find any information on him should make you wonder why.

    But perhaps we may need to agree to disagree on this one.

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Russell was the firstpresident of the Watchtower Society after it became an incorporated society. Any one who seizes upon that fact and calls it deceit (correct spelling) needs to study Introduction to the Law 101. Talkk about making a mountain out of a mole. End of story.

    Dear Steve2,

    You are correct in that Russell was the first President after it became incorporated, yet here is a PERFECT example of contradiction and exactly what I am refering to:

    Watchtower 2000 June 1st page 23 (under A Light Bearer to Many Nations):

    Eventually, Father’s inclination toward spiritual matters led him to decide to become a Presbyterian minister. About that time, however, newspaper sermons by Charles Taze Russell, first president of Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society, profoundly affected his life. What Father learned moved him to compose and send the letter of resignation mentioned at the outset.

    Do you not find that a little decieptful?!? I sure do!! Do you see the contradiction now?? Even in the places where it talks of them becoming incorporated and Russell is the President, it makes no reference or mention of Conley. My question is why?!? He certainly played a part of their early history, so why do we know virtually nothing about this man? And why is the Society refering to Russell (above quote) as the first President of Zions Watchtower which you and I both know IS NOT true?!?

    Things that make you go Hmmmmmm!

    Lady Liberty

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