UK Charity Status

Celtic

If you were to check out www.charity-commission.gov.uk
you would find if you typed in IBSA the following registration number would show: 216647

As far as we know, for we are now awaiting a response, it is illegal all over the country for charities to solicit from door to door unless they have a full identity card, something which the WTBTS has flouted law on for many years.

In view of current events, surely they must be able to see the wisdom of such an approach. I mean its not exactly unreasonable when you really think about it, what the state is asking them to do. Whats the big problem for them? Is this advertising the kingdom?

On the charity commission website btw check out area of benefit of participating charity: Not defined

Yes, they can say that again.

Blind leading the blind and nestfuls of vipers.

Before I go, anyone know anything about strawbale home building or other sustainable building methods, would like to share.

ATB!!

Mark

nelly136

Celt if you put jehovah in the search you'll find just about every kingdom hall too
nelly

Simon

I think the Charity aspect which I think they use for the tax benefits are a way to attack them.

How can an organisation that does so much harm to peopl be a charity? If it hurts people, breaks up families and even causes death then surely it can't be a charity and should be struck off?

Perhaps we should look to see if there are criteria for being a registered charity in the same way as there were being a UN NGO?

YOU CAN BET THEY HAVE LIED TO GET WHATEVER THEY HAVE!

bj

Simon,

I think they ought to look up the word CHARITY. According to one dictionary, it means:

CHARITY:
1. loving kindness towards others.
2. tolerance in judging others; kindness; leniency.
3. giving money, food, help, etc to the needy.
4. society or organization for helping the needy.

OXFORD ADVANCED LEARNER'S DICTIONARY.

Joe

LittleToe

celtic:
Were you still in during '93 when they brought out "free" literature in Britain?
There were strict instructions not to bring up the subject of money.
If the householder suggested making a donation, that was okay.
This was to get around the soliciting laws, hence no permit is required.

There may be an angle to pursue regarding child abusers.
Congregations now make a "Child Protection" list containing the names of individuals who have been even accused of abuse (I believe).
This is a list that the congregation makes so there are no "official" Society forms for it. I guess that is to get around legal complications, too.

LT

nelly136

thats what I find weird toe, the mormons that were round
yesterday gave me a book, didnt hint for money
and people Ive known who have them call for a period of time
have never been asked or hinted at for 'donations'
yet they both had id and were proud to be wearing
badges that identified their faith,
nelly

Jim Dee

Little toe

You are completely incorrect, there is no child protection register in any hall in the UK. This is because of the DPA (Data Protection Act).

The arrangement now is for an alleged abuser to be entered in "The specialised shepherding" file.

Thus no accusation etc is being made. All that is entered is their name, the date and a brief (no more that 10 words) note of why that are in the book. The note must not make, or infer to make, any allegation of any kind. For instance "having difficulty with young children" means child abuser. "having challanges in spirituality and counsel" means going apostate - and not going quietly.

All these phrases etc I sent to Randy nearly 12 months ago

As a point, isn't it worth (for the headache value at least) for everyone in the UK on this forum to send in a letter to the local congregation demanding to see their file and everything about them. It will drive the society mad - and make them feel the growing movement against them

Hope thats usful

Jim Dee

LittleToe

Jim:
Sorry pal, YOU are wrong. Each local congregation was asked to create a "Child Protection List" (I think that's the proper term).
The "Specialized Shepherding List" is for DA's, DF's, and Reprovals - with no word of the offense.

Neither of these lists are on forms provided by the Society.
The details kept on them both are VERY sketchy, being basically dates, names of individuals, and a VERY terse reason from a selected list. C.O.'s were asking to check these lists, to see if they conformed to the Society's guidlines - I saw them BOTH with my own eyes.

There have been quite a few BOE letters during the last 12-18 months on Child Abuse and Data Protection - I saw THEM with my own eyes as they were circulated around the whole body.

Nelly:
It's quite inconsistant, isn't it. I guess it's part of the paranoia surrounding the "Great Tribulation is just around the corner" mentality. Add to that, the recent Watchtower suggesting that you don't help the authorities find the Elders and C.O.'s, etc., and you can see why they want to keep names and addressess off of lists.
It heightens peoples persecution complex.

LT

Englishman

Jim Dee,

As a point, isn't it worth (for the headache value at least) for everyone in the UK on this forum to send in a letter to the local congregation demanding to see their file and everything about them. It will drive the society mad - and make them feel the growing movement against them

A fascinating idea which I shall put into force pronto. However, as a DF'd person, should I contact the congregation that gave me the old heave-ho, as it is over 100 miles away, or should I contact the local congregation? I am well known in both.

Englishman.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

Sunbeam

Hi

I was reading a business text book last night (I know, the long winter evenings..) and it included a section on UK charity status. In order to qualify, a charity has to prove that its activities do not solely benefit its members. So, in other words, they have to benefit others outside the organisation. It cited the example of the RSPB (Royal Society for the Protection of Birds) to show that activities could benefit members indirectly, e.g. by being able to watch birds at a RSPB sanctuary, but that was not to be the main focus.

The Charity Commission might be interested to read the recent KM, which listed 'why don't we get involved in the community?' as a study topic. As well as the UN/human rights info, etc...

I think it is pretty well-known, however, that there are a number of questionable org's on the CC's list. I remember a UK tv documentary a good while back that queried why certain org's, including the JW's, were listed. So it's likely that the Charity Commission has got bigger fish to fry than the WTS. It would probably take an orchestrated campaign to persuade them to investigate. Now who would want to do that..?

I'm a member of a pet charity that recently applied for charitable status. We had to jump through a lot of hoops to do it, but ultimately we just had to come up with the right documentation to be approved.

Sunbeam
xxxx

PS Written in my lunch-break. LT do you ever work?

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