Revelations about life after...

by WLG 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • WLG
    WLG

    I lost my password in the move and since my old e-mail is dead, I have ot use this screenname. If a mod reads this please PM me to let me know what to do. I had this problem about a year ago and it was never resolved.

    Thanks! Wanderlustguy aka WLG aka Donnie

    I think the biggest thing that has changed for me is not thinking I'm going to be dead and gone or in a new world in a few years. Reality is, we're gonna get old, and no one else is going to make that time any easier for us, so we have to do it for ourselves. We can't live like this is temporary because no one knows what if anything else there will be. A smart guy once said the hardest thing to comprehend for a person is that one day they won't be alive.

    Once that is understood, though, it's very liberating. We were always taught that people who don't go to meetings and aren't actively handing out Watchtowers and conducting studies don't love Jehovah and are captivated by a world of sin and depravity.

    I'd say the opposite is true form what I have seen. Yea, some go off the deep end, that's for sure, but there is a reason and it's not because that's what they want. The adjustment is huge to go from this (seemingly) warm and secure environment to a world where you are on your own and ill equipped to live in it. We don't even know how to plan for retirement!

    A different smart guy through various statements got a point across to me, which I still struggle with, "If you are fully present in your present, it is more than enough". Basically spending less time on the past and only a little time on the future, and makinga n effort to be aware of now.

    Right now I'm not in a great place in some ways, but in others, I'm better than ever. I know better what I want and how far I'm willing to go to get it.

    I spent 2 years researching what I beleived. At one point I asked a friend of mine, a former Bethelite and probably the smarted guy I've ever met, what the real deal is. He told me he couldn't tell me but could only point me in the direction of the facts and I would either beleive it or not, and based on that response I would either get to a point and get stuck there, or move on to a life of constant amazement, growth and peace. Because the Truth about it all is all at once simple and complex but if we can stop thinking the way we were PROGRAMMED to, the curtain falls away and you see the reality of it all and once that happens and you get it, you spend days just laughing at the simplicity and absudity of it all.

    We spend (we being humanity) so much time concerned about what God wants and the "Rules" that we end up insulting Him by neglecting the gifts we were given. We spend hours looking at printed words about what He wants from us and then walk outside and squash a living creature that has no reason to be there because it's a bug. We don't even notice the birds and sky anymore because we're thinking about what we did wrong to deseve the troubles we may have, or how we aren't good enough.

    I'm not saying I know everything, but I am saying no one else does. God put so much in front of our faces, every time you ask to hear from him and walk outside...you get an answer. In my opinion the difference will be in whether or not we are prepared to hear it. Once you do...the world has a lot more color in it.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    I bumped into 2 witnesses on different occasions today, so had a chance to do some witnessing of my own.

    I spent half an hour with a teenage girl who luckily is not baptised yet. She has enough indoctrination to still go to meetings, but enough sense to not quite believe it. She wanted to know what I believed. My comment was similar to your own. A religion is a 'faith' because it can not be proven. Each religious person thinks their 'faith' is correct, yet they contradict each other. Why? Because no one can prove what happens after we die.

    I can accept a First Cause. I can be content that the marvel of life indicates this may not be all there is. But I am far more satisfied enjoying the beauty of each day, then basing my decisions on the regulations resulting from the unsubstantiated 'faith' of old men somewhere in the USA. There is certainly no point judging, shunning and condemning others for not believing what I believe about something for which there is no proof.

  • timmycat
    timmycat

    JWfacts...says no one knows what happens when we die, so we live by faith, faith in what...

    what the bible says of course, when youre dead youre dead you know nothing at all. So if one has faith then we believe what the bible says, no one has come back because the bible is right, that is faith.

    the person that wrote that scripture was obviously not dead nor had died, so he got his information of God. So I believe what the bible says.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    It's about the journey, not the destination. Enjoy the journey.

    journey-on

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    timmycat:

    what the bible says of course,

    It amazes me how so many people think the Bible is the only religious book apparently inspired by a god!

    when youre dead youre dead you know nothing at all. So if one has faith then we believe what the bible says, no one has come back because the bible is right, that is faith.

    Except Lazarus and Jesus though, right?

    And doesn't the Bible teach about heaven and (a debatable) hell that exists for some when you die?

    the person that wrote that scripture was obviously not dead nor had died, so he got his information of God

    Or he lied, or he was crazy...

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    WLG,

    What helped you to let the curtain drop, as you say, and live in the present?

  • WLG
    WLG

    Research. The history of religion...which DOES NOT MEAN THE BIBLE. There is a lot more to religion than the bible, if anything the Bible and Christianity is probably still an adolescnt in the area of religion. Still throwing tantrums and condemning people for petty things that really don't amount to crap. Same for the Muslim religions IMHO, only it's the child, making women cover their junk up because the men are too adolescent to view women as peers. Buddhism the adult...live life enjoy it, etc.

    The similarities between them all is astonishing. Once you grasp that, and understand why they exist and where they came from and that they are all true, a whole new world opens up.

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith
    The similarities between them all is astonishing. Once you grasp that, and understand why they exist and where they came from and that they are all true, a whole new world opens up.

    How can they all be true when they make incompatible claims?

    Do you believe they were all inspired by a god, or that they're a result of our inbuilt desire to know a god, or something else?

  • WLG
    WLG
    How can they all be true when they make incompatible claims?

    They never do. They are true if you look at them as intended, when they are referred to as fact...that's when everything goes to hell (pun intended). If you take any two and compare them the overall message and direction is virtually identical all the way down to saviors and ways of life.

    Religion is a light to a path...not the path itself.

    The only incompatible claims are made by people in reference to "their" religion.

  • Undecided
    Undecided
    the person that wrote that scripture was obviously not dead nor had died, so he got his information of God

    If he could get his information from God, why can't we do that?

    Ken P.

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