Public Reproof will be made as scheduled.

by badwillie 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • Patriot
    Patriot

    B Willie,

    I agree with Kent, but instead of an email to everyone, I would get a list of all the publishers in your hall that show their mailing address and write aletter to each and every single publisher.

    Show how you were treated and even include a copy of the un letter regarding the WT Ngo fiasco to prove your point.

    If not everyone is going to make stuff up about you and your spouse i.e. -apostate, fornication,etc..and that will only lead to your "good name" being damaged.

    What many fail to see is that this is a strategy taken by the WT to do precisely that..ruin your name. All they do is get the wheeels moving by reprooving and they know that by the way they handle their cases in secret, it's only a matter of time before the rest of the Congo. starts gossiping.

    I've seen it happen many times over, so cover yourself and even though many will think that you are making it up to make yourself look good, it will also make many others wonder what the heck is really going on.

    Mav.-

  • Xena
    Xena

    Just wanted to let you know I think the stand you and your wife have taken so far is courageous, publically voicing, even to a few, your viewpoint on the JW Org and the UN situation could not have been easy! And whatever you decide to do regarding how you handle your public reproof I am sure it will be done after careful consideration of the information you have received on here and your personal circumstances. There is a LOT of good advice here from people who have a considerable experience in dealing the the JW Org. but no one knows what your situation is better than you...

    Best wishes...I will be thinking of you and mrs badwillie!

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    My guess is that when they announce your's and your wife's reproof at the same time the congregation will probable conclude you both were practicing oral or anal sex and felt guilty and confessed to the elders.
    I don't think they will think you were wife swapping, they might think you both were taking drugs though.

    My point is to public reprove both of you, and then order you to not tell anybody what for, is ridiculous, so now the brothers in your congregation can let their imaginations run wild as to what bad sins you both were reproved for.

    How loving and thoughtfull these shepards are.
    You have every right to tell, and protect your reputation.

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • MrMoe
    MrMoe

    I would appeal - or threaten legal action. It is totally wrong for them to do this. So you looked at a UN website - why is that wrong? Those stupid azzes were listed on it!!!!!!!!!! They are the guilty ones - NOT YOU!!! They are going to publically shame you to teach you a lesson - and no one person would guess the real truth why you are being put on reproof. This is sick.

    When people lie - they cover thier actions. They obviously have something to hide. ince when was it wrong to look at public information? Next step they will ban the internet, magazines and anything else not JW related. Wait a minute - I guess they sorta do that already! Gimme a break - this is just plain sick. Don't worry. You wife's friend with the big mouth will tell somebody - the word spreads fast.

  • myMichelle
    myMichelle

    Sorry, can't remember what a public reproof is. Is that were an elder gives a speech about a particular subject that is a no-no and then the congregation is left to speculate who it is and who they're supposed to mark? Or do they mention the member(s) by name?

    What are they going to say? So and so is publically reproved for looking at the United Nations website and finding the WTBTS listed as a NGO? It's ok for the WTBTS to apply and associate with the UN but you rank-and-file members better not even look at their website. Unbelievable.

    Good luck to you and Mrs B.W.
    Michelle

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    Badwillie,

    Have just read what you've been going through and have a couple of thoughts. First, you cannot appeal a public reproof. Only DFing. Second, if you want to avoid further problems and not be disfellowshipped because of family ties, but just quietly slip away, then leave it and quietly slip away.

    BUT, if you do want to create a stir and stand up, you can somewhat protect yourself by getting the press involved, and following through on the cease and desist order. Check out the website for DocBob. He used it to keep a body of elders totally at bay in Maine.

    Bad press and legal actions REALLY do scare the Society. Also, be aware that I would guess this body made their decision because you and your wife talked with other Witnesses about this, and not simply because you red the UN website. And if they reproved you, there HAD to be grounds for disfellowshipping. Apostasy seems the only reasonable one at this point. And you need to get that clear from the brothers. What is the EXACT sin that could lead to disfellowshipping that you are being reproved for? There's a list of these sins in the elders KMS book. "If it's not on the list, they must desist!!"

    If you do go to the press today, it is ABSOLUTELY important that you show them the Guardian articles. They are going to want to know that this is a legitimate news story and not some personal grudge. And someone needs to contact that Guardian reporter. What a great followup piece this is. I'd bet he would be VERY interested. And Silentlambs or Randy - have these articles been sent on to AP? Let me know, would be glad to pass this on to my contacts there.

    Part of the problem is not having the info you needed about taking legal action before you met with the JC. That would have put things on hold for a while as they contacted the Society. The legal department eagles might have just told your local elders to drop this. The local boys get away with huge amounts of stuff that would have legal messing their pants if they knew the whole story. Local elders are frequently not challenged at all, so much of this stuff just lies buried. IF the local elders will say this action was taken BECAUSE you were looking at the UN webpage, you might really have a serious case here. Try to get that info before the announcement tonight. If you want to threaten legal action, now is the time.

    Also, I'm not sure the elders can tell the person being reproved not to talk about the reason for it. I mean, if someone else talks about it, that can be slander. But if you simply tell the friends what happened, you can't be charged with slandering yourself!! You might want to make your position clear to the elders before the meeting - if you want to take any of this action. And DEMAND that they show you in writing their authority for banning you from telling people what happened. But also, be aware that you could easily find yourself disfellowshipped for taking a stand.

    Also, I really don't think most friends in general know anything about the pedophile problem, the blood changes last year, or this situation with the WTS as a UN NGO. They are just simply totally out of touch with this stuff. Contact me if you need to.

    S4

  • ChuckD
    ChuckD

    BWillie,

    What part of the country are you in?

    Chuck

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    ______________________________________________________________________
    Don't worry. You wife's friend with the big mouth will tell somebody - the word spreads fast.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    good point moe, its probably already doing the rounds, dont suppose your friends apologised for dropping you in it badwilly?

    nelly

  • badwillie
    badwillie

    Chuck,
    I'm in Philadelphia.
    -BadWillie

  • ChuckD
    ChuckD

    BW - please drop me an email directly.

    Chuck

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