Is the World Really More Violent Today?

by nvrgnbk 60 Replies latest jw friends

  • bigdreaux
    bigdreaux

    i think it just seems that way because we are exposed more because of all the news networks, and the interent. things that would have gone unnoticed in the past are blasted across mega media outlets, and sometimes are blown out of proportion. this makes everything seem worse.

    how often have you heard stories about the past, and thought, oh my god, people were really messed up back then.

    i also thing it's perspective. every generation thinks theirs is the worst, until the new generation comes along. if you look back, even before 1914, gasp, people were screaming how bad it was.

    i do think people are more brazen now, but, in a few years, these will be the good old days were gas was ONLY 3 dollars a gallon, and we could still walk around not feeling too threatned. just my thoughts.

  • VM44
    VM44

    BTW, Conan responded to the question "What are the best things in life?" with this answer.

    "To Kill your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

    He is now the Governator of the State of California.

    --VM44

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Thanks, BSOM.

    Interesting.

    DAVID INDERMAUR: All those phenomena you mentioned are certainly on the public agenda, and they are increasing as public concerns, largely because people are putting them there as public concerns. So people are more sensitive to the use of violence, people are more concerned about the use of violence, they're less willing to tolerate violence, they're more wanting to bring these conflicts to public attention if you like.

    But the actual rate of real violence, when you actually analyse the figures, is unlikely to have increased. In fact, if anything perhaps the other way, people are learning how to control themselves more, they're having to sit on more anger with less, you know, less ability, to just give you one example, physical use of force against children in the home is less and less condoned now than in the past, and so people are learning, having to learn how to deal with conflict in a way that doesn't use violence. More now, people are becoming more sensitive to the use of violence and therefore there's a tendency to see this more when perhaps it hasn't really changed.

    I think society is less violent than ever. Thanks to advancements in communications, we are more aware of and sensitive to violence.

    I get the sense that the ancient world was a much more barbaric and uncivilized place.

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis
    I get the sense that the ancient world was a much more barbaric and uncivilized place.

    That's my impression.

    I have the set of books by Will Durant and over the years have spent time reading bits and pieces. Now, I do realize that the thing is these books are likely somewhat out dated with new information. But the basics are there.

    And what I've gotten out of it is that day to day life was vastly different then it is now. Violence and child abuse was commonplace and accepted. I can't tell you the number of elderly people who I know who can tell you stories about their child hood. Stories that would carry their parents right into the court room with the charge of child abuse.

    Violence against women is also not as accepted. Women have long been considered property and what a man or father chose to do with her was his business. And people simply looked the other way.

    Funny, I have had a lot of friends really love the Victorian era, the old fashioned days...now, I'm a sucker for the long poofy dresses, like Cindrella, but the reality is these women were often treated pretty bad and had very hard lives. Not always, but often.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    So much for the gloom and doom crammed down our throats by the Watchtower.

  • anewme
    anewme

    I do not think the world is a more violent place than in the past.

    Violence has been around since Cain killed Abel.

    Violence has always been in the cities where there is unhappiness and jealousy.

    Violence has always been associated with bully dictators and power hungry governments.


    But peace is still reigning where friends are and where families practice love between themselves and where neighbors practice ethical behavior.


    The TV and radio news is in competition to relay reports of violence and we have CNN and overseas news to complete the worldwide report of horrific human mistreatment.

    The world is not at war at the moment.
    Nuclear bombs are not exploding at the moment.
    These conditions were the case in the past century.

    Terrorism is surely on the rise in the world today. There are definitely whole groups dedicated to sabatoge who feel absolutely no qualms about taking innocent lives to seek revenge against political enemies.
    Terrorism is a study taught by brilliant but twisted strategists and teachers. Whole education centers are now devoted to the subject and willing students both men and women are cramming into classes to become the next wave of suicidal bombers.

    I think danger has always been around, but now more people are aware of it than ever before.

    That crock that the world is getting worse and coming to an end is just old Watchtower B.S. (Any astute reader of history and of charlatan religions is aware how a percentage of the population falls for fear tactics and cult speak and twisted statistics. Russell and his goons just used the same)(Works in every generation)


    Anewme

  • ninja
    ninja

    shut it smelly or I'll send the boys round

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07

    The way I look at it, the world may seem more violent today as a whole, but then there are two things:

    1) The world is a much "smaller" place. Two hundred years ago, if there were a lot of people killed in a far away country, would you have heard about it? Probably not, but today we hear about it instantly, plus we instantly get to see gory, bloody pictures of it only hours after the fact.

    2) The world population has increased phenomenally the last hundred years or so. The way I see it, the earth is like a big room: you put a couple of people in the room, and they can probably tolerate each other and maybe even like each other. They can even 'live' in separate parts of the room if they like. Now add a couple of people to the room. Now some more. The space begins to get smaller, people get closer to each other and fights break out more easily because people step into the areas where others were first, or they want the food the others had - food which previously was abundant, but now must be rationed among the people in the room. Different personalities start to grate on each other's nerves. You put more people into the room - it's getting cramped. More fights break out for the same reasons. And so on and so forth. I don't think we should underestimate the population growth.

    And still, I think that at least in the western world, violence is much less prevalent today "per. capita" than a few hundred years ago. It just seems worse because of the above points.

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Sorry for posting this - but it should put this topic to rest. STEVEN PINKER is the Johnstone Family Professor in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University. His most recent book is The Blank Slate. Steven Pinker's Edge Bio Page A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE In sixteenth-century Paris, a popular form of entertainment was cat-burning, in which a cat was hoisted in a sling on a stage and slowly lowered into a fire. According to historian Norman Davies, "[T]he spectators, including kings and queens, shrieked with laughter as the animals, howling with pain, were singed, roasted, and finally carbonized." Today, such sadism would be unthinkable in most of the world. This change in sensibilities is just one example of perhaps the most important and most underappreciated trend in the human saga: Violence has been in decline over long stretches of history, and today we are probably living in the most peaceful moment of our species' time on earth. In the decade of Darfur and Iraq, and shortly after the century of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, the claim that violence has been diminishing may seem somewhere between hallucinatory and obscene. Yet recent studies that seek to quantify the historical ebb and flow of violence point to exactly that conclusion. Some of the evidence has been under our nose all along. Conventional history has long shown that, in many ways, we have been getting kinder and gentler. Cruelty as entertainment, human sacrifice to indulge superstition, slavery as a labor-saving device, conquest as the mission statement of government, genocide as a means of acquiring real estate, torture and mutilation as routine punishment, the death penalty for misdemeanors and differences of opinion, assassination as the mechanism of political succession, rape as the spoils of war, pogroms as outlets for frustration, homicide as the major form of conflict resolution—all were unexceptionable features of life for most of human history. But, today, they are rare to nonexistent in the West, far less common elsewhere than they used to be, concealed when they do occur, and widely condemned when they are brought to light. At one time, these facts were widely appreciated. They were the source of notions like progress, civilization, and man's rise from savagery and barbarism. Recently, however, those ideas have come to sound corny, even dangerous. They seem to demonize people in other times and places, license colonial conquest and other foreign adventures, and conceal the crimes of our own societies. The doctrine of the noble savage—the idea that humans are peaceable by nature and corrupted by modern institutions—pops up frequently in the writing of public intellectuals like José Ortega y Gasset ("War is not an instinct but an invention"), Stephen Jay Gould ("Homo sapiens is not an evil or destructive species"), and Ashley Montagu ("Biological studies lend support to the ethic of universal brotherhood"). But, now that social scientists have started to count bodies in different historical periods, they have discovered that the romantic theory gets it backward: Far from causing us to become more violent, something in modernity and its cultural institutions has made us nobler. To be sure, any attempt to document changes in violence must be soaked in uncertainty. In much of the world, the distant past was a tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it, and, even for events in the historical record, statistics are spotty until recent periods. Long-term trends can be discerned only by smoothing out zigzags and spikes of horrific bloodletting. And the choice to focus on relative rather than absolute numbers brings up the moral imponderable of whether it is worse for 50 percent of a population of 100 to be killed or 1 percent in a population of one billion. Yet, despite these caveats, a picture is taking shape. The decline of violence is a fractal phenomenon, visible at the scale of millennia, centuries, decades, and years. It applies over several orders of magnitude of violence, from genocide to war to rioting to homicide to the treatment of children and animals. And it appears to be a worldwide trend, though not a homogeneous one. The leading edge has been in Western societies, especially England and Holland, and there seems to have been a tipping point at the onset of the Age of Reason in the early seventeenth century. At the widest-angle view, one can see a whopping difference across the millennia that separate us from our pre-state ancestors. Contra leftist anthropologists who celebrate the noble savage, quantitative body-counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with axemarks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own. It is true that raids and battles killed a tiny percentage of the numbers that die in modern warfare. But, in tribal violence, the clashes are more frequent, the percentage of men in the population who fight is greater, and the rates of death per battle are higher. According to anthropologists like Lawrence Keeley, Stephen LeBlanc, Phillip Walker, and Bruce Knauft, these factors combine to yield population-wide rates of death in tribal warfare that dwarf those of modern times. If the wars of the twentieth century had killed the same proportion of the population that die in the wars of a typical tribal society, there would have been two billion deaths, not 100 million. Political correctness from the other end of the ideological spectrum has also distorted many people's conception of violence in early civilizations—namely, those featured in the Bible. This supposed source of moral values contains many celebrations of genocide, in which the Hebrews, egged on by God, slaughter every last resident of an invaded city. The Bible also prescribes death by stoning as the penalty for a long list of nonviolent infractions, including idolatry, blasphemy, homosexuality, adultery, disrespecting one's parents, and picking up sticks on the Sabbath. The Hebrews, of course, were no more murderous than other tribes; one also finds frequent boasts of torture and genocide in the early histories of the Hindus, Christians, Muslims, and Chinese. At the century scale, it is hard to find quantitative studies of deaths in warfare spanning medieval and modern times. Several historians have suggested that there has been an increase in the number of recorded wars across the centuries to the present, but, as political scientist James Payne has noted, this may show only that "the Associated Press is a more comprehensive source of information about battles around the world than were sixteenth-century monks." Social histories of the West provide evidence of numerous barbaric practices that became obsolete in the last five centuries, such as slavery, amputation, blinding, branding, flaying, disembowelment, burning at the stake, breaking on the wheel, and so on. Meanwhile, for another kind of violence—homicide—the data are abundant and striking. The criminologist Manuel Eisner has assembled hundreds of homicide estimates from Western European localities that kept records at some point between 1200 and the mid-1990s. In every country he analyzed, murder rates declined steeply—for example, from 24 homicides per 100,000 Englishmen in the fourteenth century to 0.6 per 100,000 by the early 1960s. On the scale of decades, comprehensive data again paint a shockingly happy picture: Global violence has fallen steadily since the middle of the twentieth century. According to the Human Security Brief 2006, the number of battle deaths in interstate wars has declined from more than 65,000 per year in the 1950s to less than 2,000 per year in this decade. In Western Europe and the Americas, the second half of the century saw a steep decline in the number of wars, military coups, and deadly ethnic riots. Zooming in by a further power of ten exposes yet another reduction. After the cold war, every part of the world saw a steep drop-off in state-based conflicts, and those that do occur are more likely to end in negotiated settlements rather than being fought to the bitter end. Meanwhile, according to political scientist Barbara Harff, between 1989 and 2005 the number of campaigns of mass killing of civilians decreased by 90 percent. The decline of killing and cruelty poses several challenges to our ability to make sense of the world. To begin with, how could so many people be so wrong about something so important? Partly, it's because of a cognitive illusion: We estimate the probability of an event from how easy it is to recall examples. Scenes of carnage are more likely to be relayed to our living rooms and burned into our memories than footage of people dying of old age. Partly, it's an intellectual culture that is loath to admit that there could be anything good about the institutions of civilization and Western society. Partly, it's the incentive structure of the activism and opinion markets: No one ever attracted followers and donations by announcing that things keep getting better. And part of the explanation lies in the phenomenon itself. The decline of violent behavior has been paralleled by a decline in attitudes that tolerate or glorify violence, and often the attitudes are in the lead. As deplorable as they are, the abuses at Abu Ghraib and the lethal injections of a few murderers in Texas are mild by the standards of atrocities in human history. But, from a contemporary vantage point, we see them as signs of how low our behavior can sink, not of how high our standards have risen. The other major challenge posed by the decline of violence is how to explain it. A force that pushes in the same direction across many epochs, continents, and scales of social organization mocks our standard tools of causal explanation. The usual suspects—guns, drugs, the press, American culture—aren't nearly up to the job. Nor could it possibly be explained by evolution in the biologist's sense: Even if the meek could inherit the earth, natural selection could not favor the genes for meekness quickly enough. In any case, human nature has not changed so much as to have lost its taste for violence. Social psychologists find that at least 80 percent of people have fantasized about killing someone they don't like. And modern humans still take pleasure in viewing violence, if we are to judge by the popularity of murder mysteries, Shakespearean dramas, Mel Gibson movies, video games, and hockey. What has changed, of course, is people's willingness to act on these fantasies. The sociologist Norbert Elias suggested that European modernity accelerated a "civilizing process" marked by increases in self-control, long-term planning, and sensitivity to the thoughts and feelings of others. These are precisely the functions that today's cognitive neuroscientists attribute to the prefrontal cortex. But this only raises the question of why humans have increasingly exercised that part of their brains. No one knows why our behavior has come under the control of the better angels of our nature, but there are four plausible suggestions. The first is that Hobbes got it right. Life in a state of nature is nasty, brutish, and short, not because of a primal thirst for blood but because of the inescapable logic of anarchy. Any beings with a modicum of self-interest may be tempted to invade their neighbors to steal their resources. The resulting fear of attack will tempt the neighbors to strike first in preemptive self-defense, which will in turn tempt the first group to strike against them preemptively, and so on. This danger can be defused by a policy of deterrence—don't strike first, retaliate if struck—but, to guarantee its credibility, parties must avenge all insults and settle all scores, leading to cycles of bloody vendetta. These tragedies can be averted by a state with a monopoly on violence, because it can inflict disinterested penalties that eliminate the incentives for aggression, thereby defusing anxieties about preemptive attack and obviating the need to maintain a hair-trigger propensity for retaliation. Indeed, Eisner and Elias attribute the decline in European homicide to the transition from knightly warrior societies to the centralized governments of early modernity. And, today, violence continues to fester in zones of anarchy, such as frontier regions, failed states, collapsed empires, and territories contested by mafias, gangs, and other dealers of contraband. Payne suggests another possibility: that the critical variable in the indulgence of violence is an overarching sense that life is cheap. When pain and early death are everyday features of one's own life, one feels fewer compunctions about inflicting them on others. As technology and economic efficiency lengthen and improve our lives, we place a higher value on life in general. A third theory, championed by Robert Wright, invokes the logic of non-zero-sum games: scenarios in which two agents can each come out ahead if they cooperate, such as trading goods, dividing up labor, or sharing the peace dividend that comes from laying down their arms. As people acquire know-how that they can share cheaply with others and develop technologies that allow them to spread their goods and ideas over larger territories at lower cost, their incentive to cooperate steadily increases, because other people become more valuable alive than dead. Then there is the scenario sketched by philosopher Peter Singer. Evolution, he suggests, bequeathed people a small kernel of empathy, which by default they apply only within a narrow circle of friends and relations. Over the millennia, people's moral circles have expanded to encompass larger and larger polities: the clan, the tribe, the nation, both sexes, other races, and even animals. The circle may have been pushed outward by expanding networks of reciprocity, à la Wright, but it might also be inflated by the inexorable logic of the golden rule: The more one knows and thinks about other living things, the harder it is to privilege one's own interests over theirs. The empathy escalator may also be powered by cosmopolitanism, in which journalism, memoir, and realistic fiction make the inner lives of other people, and the contingent nature of one's own station, more palpable—the feeling that "there but for fortune go I". Whatever its causes, the decline of violence has profound implications. It is not a license for complacency: We enjoy the peace we find today because people in past generations were appalled by the violence in their time and worked to end it, and so we should work to end the appalling violence in our time. Nor is it necessarily grounds for optimism about the immediate future, since the world has never before had national leaders who combine pre-modern sensibilities with modern weapons. But the phenomenon does force us to rethink our understanding of violence. Man's inhumanity to man has long been a subject for moralization. With the knowledge that something has driven it dramatically down, we can also treat it as a matter of cause and effect. Instead of asking, "Why is there war?" we might ask, "Why is there peace?" From the likelihood that states will commit genocide to the way that people treat cats, we must have been doing something right. And it would be nice to know what, exactly, it is. [First published in The New Republic, 3.19.07.]

  • DazedAndConfused
    DazedAndConfused

    To me this is an interesting question considering this is one of the big subjects that I have with my diehard dub mother. As would be expected, listening to the doomsayer religion she is in, she is conviced that the world is more violent.

    That being said I have done some research into this subject, of course never bookmarking the sites, and found an overwhelming consensus that this is just not the case. As has been brought out by the article blackswan imbedded things are not any more violent. I read an article once that stated, with statistics, it is because there are many more people there seems to be more crime. They stated that statistically crime has basically been the same meaning crimes with a per person ratio (per capita). For example, and my numbers are not actual, let's say there is 1 murder per 10,000 people alive. Statistically it has been shown that to always being the case. Granted it varies per year but basically it is the same.

    In my conversations with my mother she says "but we hear more about (insert problem here) than we ever have." That is true. But she does not understand that things have changed information wise. Let's say just 50 years ago, news came from a very limited area. They had local news on television, radio and newspapers. Then it increased to national and international news. Now we have the internet which brings in even more information than we have ever seen before. And let's face it, bad news is a bigger moneymaker for newspeople than good news.

    I think this can be compared with jw's and the scriptures they use to 'prove' their doctrines. They use singled out scriptures but yet they do not read the scriptures before and after to get the meaning in context. I think that looking at crimes from many different angles to see why it 'appears' to be worse gives you a better more accurate idea of what is really happening.

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