Aliens,other dimensions, just foolishness? Open ur mind!

by fedorE 11 Replies latest jw friends

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  fedorE

  (Dr. Michio Kaku, tells a short story of how fish, naturally moving forward or side to side, with no idea of UP, )

  My own fascination with higher dimensions began early in childhood. One of my happiest childhood memories was crouching next to the pond at the famed Japanese Tea Garden in San Francisco, mesmerized by the brilliantly colored carp swimming slowly beneath the water lilies. In these quiet moments, I would ask myself a silly question that a only child might ask: how would the carp in that pond view the world around them? Spending their entire lives at the bottom of the pond, the carp would believe that their “universe” consisted of the water and the lilies; they would only be dimly aware that an alien world could exist just above the surface. My world was beyond their comprehension. I was intrigued that I could sit only a few inches from the carp, yet we were separated by an immense chasm. I concluded that if there were any “scientists” among the carp, they would scoff at any fish who proposed that a parallel world could exist just above the lilies. An unseen world beyond the pond made no scientific sense. Once I imagined what would happen if I reached down and suddenly grabbed one of the carp “scientists” out of the pond. I wondered, how would this appear to the carp? The startled carp “scientist” would tell a truly amazing story, being somehow lifted out of the universe (the pond) and hurled into a mysterious nether world, another dimension with blinding lights and strange-shaped objects that no carp had ever seen before. The strangest of all was the massive creature responsible for this outrage, who did not resemble a fish in the slightest. Shockingly, it had no fins whatsoever, but nevertheless could move without them. Obviously, the familiar laws of physics no longer applied in this nether world!
  
  The Theory of Everything
  Sometimes I believe that we are like the carp living contently on the bottom of that pond; we live our lives blissfully ignorant of other worlds that might co-exist with us, laughing at any suggestion of parallel universes.
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  jaguarbass

  Interesting analogy.
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  LearningToFly

  I really like the way you think Fedora! Quoting from you: "The Theory of Everything
  Sometimes I believe that we are like the carp living contently on the bottom of that pond; we live our lives blissfully ignorant of other worlds that might co-exist with us, laughing at any suggestion of parallel universes."

  I totally agree with you, how vain of us to believe we are IT, this is IT! There is just way to much out there to look at, to ponder on, theories both old and new that prompt my mind to delve deeper. As I have said in other postings, I have no clear answers, so much unproven.. I wish I had the time to devote my entire life to studying everything out there.. but in the meantime, I very much enjoy the time I do have to investigate and ponder more on life.

  LTF
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  Gregor

  Where can I get some of those mushrooms?
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  Satanus

  I also tend to think along that line. I tend to think that this dimension, this universe is one of the lower ones, of a more gross (3. vulgar: vulgar or coarse 4. without good taste: not sensitive to, or not able to appreciate, the finer things in life - http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/gross.html) nature. That that description of this universe is accurate is easy to show by an unbiased look at how life works on this planet, and how the universe has evolved. Naturally, instruments designed for measuring in this sea of gross matter fall way short of detecting higher dimensions. It is also my belief that, since we find ourselves here struggling and interacting in this dimension, this is where our primary concern should be. Can we make a contribution that will serve as an advancement in some way? And so, arguing about the natures of other possible dimensions is not of primary importance, although for those who can percieve it/them, it can be fulfilling. S
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  SacrificialLoon

  It's hard for the human mind to grasp more than the 3+1 dimensions we live in 3 spatial and 1 temporal, but one way to see how an object with more than the usual dimensions might affect our universe you can picture how a two dimensional universe might interact with a three dimensional universe.
  
  So let's say you're a 2 dimensional creature in a 2 dimensional universe, and this universe just happens to be curved around on itself in a third dimension. If you were to travel in a (as far as you knew) straight line in this universe you would eventually arrive back at your point of origin. Likewise if our three dimensional universe was wrapped around a fourth you could leave Earth traveling in a (as far as you knew) straight line, and provided the Earth was still at the same point you would eventually return to the Earth. Quite perplexing to the traveler!
  
  Again looking at things in 2 dimensions let's say your just minding your own business doing whatever it is that two dimensional creatures do with their time, and suddenly you see in front of you a strange line appears out of nowhere grows and shrinks for apparently no reason then disappears, what was this strange apparition? Going back to the third dimension we see that some prankster has pushed an hourglass through this poor confused two dimensional creature's world, and he just saw the points that were crossing the plane of his universe.
  
  One more trial for our poor tortured two dimensional creature. Let's fold his universe in the third dimension so that two points on opposite sides of the plain are almost touching poke a hole in it and connect the two points by the third dimension, and drag our now totally mental two dimensional creature through it, as far as he knows he's just travelled to the other side of the universe in an instant, we've just created a 2d wormhole using the 3rd dimension.
  
  So, it's easier to picture how 4d or higher objects might interact with our universe if we look at a universe with fewer dimensions from ours.
  
  Edit: spelling
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  5go

  Foolishness, till proven other wise.

  I don't believe in E.T. Though I hold it as a more plausible theory than the christian god existing.

  I don't believe in other dimensions. See my thread on time travel not being possible.

  I also don't believe Einstein was a genius he and his colleagues were lucky the A- bomb worked at all. It is funny they were not for sure what the A-bomb would do anything, nothing, or destroy the world in one blast.
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  fedorE

  In matters of time travel ect... ill let the good Dr. do my guesswork for me..... Unfortunately, although black hole solutions have been found in string theory, the theory is not yet developed to answer basic questions about wormholes and their stability. Within the next few years or perhaps within a decade, many physicists believe that string theory will mature to the point where it can answer these fundamental questions about space and time. The problem is well-defined. Unfortunately, even though the leading scientists on the planet are working on the theory, no one on earth is smart enough to solve the superstring equations. Most scientists doubt interstellar travel because the light barrier is so difficult to break. However, to go faster than light, one must go beyond Special Relativity to General Relativity and the quantum theory. Therefore, one cannot rule out interstellar travel if an advanced civilization can attain enough energy to destabilize space and time. Perhaps only a Type III civilization can harness the Planck energy, the energy at which space and time become unstable. Various proposals have been given to exceed the light barrier (including wormholes and stretched or warped space) but all of them require energies found only in Type III galactic civilizations. On a mathematical level, ultimately, we must wait for a fully quantum mechanical theory of gravity (such as superstring theory) to answer these fundamental questions, such as whether wormholes can be created and whether they are stable enough to allow for interstellar travel
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  freeme

  In these quiet moments, I would ask myself a silly question that a only child might ask: how would the carp in that pond view the world around them? Spending their entire lives at the bottom of the pond, the carp would believe that their “universe” consisted of the water and the lilies; they would only be dimly aware that an alien world could exist just above the surface. My world was beyond their comprehension.

  im asking myself such questions all the time since my early childhood. im 26. somethings wrong with me?
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  IP_SEC

  Hey Fed

  I've read that book. It is a little but (not much) dated now i think mid 90s? Unless it has been revised. That is a very good analogy with the fish in the pond. He was not using it to say that there could be extra-dim aliens. He was just using it to describe how extra-dim might exist without our knowing.

  I believe extra-dimensional space is a given. Superstring will one day prove it. I have a real, good feeling about superstring (MTheory) giving us our first and maybe conclusive "theory of everything"

  Extra-dimensions sure do explain the weakness of gravity compared to the other forces.

  Most physisist believe that hyper-space is curled up so tightly that we may never "see" it. Of course Superstring has opened up theory on BraneWorlds (Membrane worlds) that could be larger than Planck space.

  Superstring is very interesting to me because we discovered it quiet by accident. Our species discovered it too early to really have the technology to experimentally verify it.