Are there still 'segregated congregations' in the US?

by AK - Jeff 13 Replies latest jw experiences

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    In the 70's and 80's I recall conversations with some fellow jdubs who had lived in the southern US. They told me that some areas still had segregated halls - blacks would meet at different times or locations than whites. Is this still true, anyone know?

    I found it disturbing to hear about - but never saw it for myself. I am one of those who honestly does not care about color - never did - I embrace people regardless of gender, color, or nationality. I really do. And it just floored me to hear of this within 'Jehovah's clean organization'. Of course now nothing about this fraudulent religion would surprise me - but just wondered if this still goes on?

    Jeff

  • KW13
    KW13

    No idea mate, but we both know some of the witnesses are closed minded enough to be racist too.

  • unique1
    unique1

    I am from the south and was born into the truth in 77 and never saw such a thing, even traveling.

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    When my parents first came in (early 70s) there were segregated congregations where I lived. However, a year or so later, they were integrated. I was too young to really remember but I've questioned my parents before on it and they said there was some sort of state law. However, I don't believe that because the schools were integrated in the 60s. I remember that hall only had a couple of black families even after it was integrated, but I think that was just a geographical issue. As a matter of fact, my elementary school only had a couple of black kids so I think the congregation was a reflection of that particular community.

    Most of my childhood was spent in a congregation that was split about 50-50 between white and black. I never saw any sort of racial issues there and everyone mixed very well. Lots of "gatherings", etc.

  • sir82
    sir82

    Not officially, but of course there are congregations where, due to demographics of the area, are predominantly one race or the other.

    Someone with a CD-ROM handy could probably look this up...in the early 50's there was a Questions From Readers in a WT asking about how the JWs could justify having segregated congregations in the US south. As I recall, the response was something about "complying with Caesar's laws" and not wanting to upset the authorities too much so that they could accomplish the preaching work. Just goes to show you, they could justify anything!

    There is a family in my current congregation that recalls attending a segregated congregation, so they really did exist.

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Mom claimed there were segregated congregations in South Missisippi in the mid 1980's. She said one congregation was the white congregation and one was the black. I remember going to a memorial there once, mom had long been disfellowshipped by then, and why we went? I dont know.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Was this the article, Sir82? From the 2-1-1952 Watchtower, page 94-95;

    Questions

    FromReaders

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    IftheWatchtowerSocietyisfreefromracialprejudice,whydoesittoleratesegregationatitsassembliesincertainsectionsofcountry?Isthisnotacourseofcompromise?—F.C.,Wisconsin.

    Why do we tolerate the segregation laws and policies of certain governments and organizations of this world? Because Jehovah has not commissioned us to convert the world, which is wicked beyond recovery and hence will be destroyed. Jehovah has commissioned us to preach the gospel. Now what should we do? Drop preaching to fight racial issues? We never have separate meetings and baptisms when we can have them together. But when impossible, shall we have separate meetings and baptisms, or none at all? Shall we serve spiritual food to all, even if separately, or serve it to none? Shall we provide baptism for all, even if separately, or provide it for none? Should we buck Caesar’s segregation laws, when they do not force us to violate God’s laws? God does not forbid separate assembly and baptism, and he commands assembly and baptism. (Matt. 28:19; Heb. 10:25) So should we disobey God to fight a racial issue? To buck the segregation laws would bring on disruption of the witness work, halting of it, mob violence, and possible loss of life. Only laws prohibiting gospel-preaching will we buck at that price.

    Some may argue segregation is prohibited by God, citing Galatians 3:28 (NW): "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus." That Paul spoke in a spiritual sense and not in a literal, physical sense is obvious, since actually there were male and female, slave and free, Jew and Greek. Because of the existence of Jew and Greek he specially accommodated himself and his preaching to such classes. (1 Cor. 9:19-22) His recognition of slave and freeman we will consider in more detail, since it bears directly on segregation. How so? Because segregation is rooted in slavery, is the outgrowth and hangover of slavery. Segregation, the stain left by slavery, is a lesser evil than slavery. So if the Bible does not instruct Christians to fight slavery it would not sanction them to battle the lesser evil of segregation, at the expense of gospel-preaching.

    Even within the Christian congregation Paul did not protest the slavery of his time. Onesimus was Philemon’s slave, and both were Christians. (Philem. 10-16) Paul wrote Timothy, who pictured the society of witnesses today: "Let as many as are slaves under a yoke keep on considering their owners worthy of full honor." Why? "That the name of God and the teaching may never be spoken of injuriously." Kingdom preaching and Jehovah’s vindication are the issues to keep foremost, not creature equality and racial issues. "Moreover, let those having believing owners not look down on them, because they are brothers. On the contrary, let them the more readily be slaves, because those receiving the benefit of their good service are believers and beloved." (1 Tim. 6:1, 2, NW) Here again note that the slavery of those times existed even within the Christian congregation.

    Paul also wrote: "In whatever state each one was called, let him remain in it. Were you called a slave? Do not let it worry you; but if you can also become free, rather seize the opportunity." If Paul could say this regarding slavery, how much more so can it be said to those discriminated against by segregation laws: "Do not let it worry you." It is no cause for Christian concern or anxiety. But if the Lord’s people are in locations where they are free of segregation laws or policies, they rejoice in the greater freedom and delight to be together in assembly. All are slaves of Christ, as Paul goes on to show: "Anyone in the Lord that was called a slave is the Lord’s freedman: likewise he that was called a free man is a slave of Christ." (1 Cor. 7:20-24, NW) Surprisingly, some colored brothers have strenuously objected to this, protesting as offensive the use of the word "slave" in the NewWorldTranslation. Any who do not wish to be Christ’s slave, whether white or black, can cease such service at any time; but they will be slaves nonetheless, only slaves of Satan and sin. (Rom. 6:16-23, NW) Those who magnify human importance soon hide from their view the really vital issues.

    Jehovah is no respecter of persons. Neither are his people. But the world in which we live is. Whites are prejudiced against colored, colored are prejudiced against whites. In some colored communities after nightfall a white person would enter at the risk of his very life. To justify this on the grounds that the whites started the discrimination is not Scriptural. (Rom. 12:17) Now, where the danger is extreme should white persons enter these hostile communities and suffer beating and possibly death to prove they have a democratic right to be there? Should a white witness endanger his life to attend a meeting of colored witnesses in such places, or stay overnight with his colored brothers there, just to prove his democratic right to do so?

    Many colored persons practice color-prejudice against their own people. Lighter-colored Negroes will shun the darker ones. Some from the Western Hemisphere look down upon the very dark ones from Africa. In South Africa, whites discriminate against the mixed coloreds, the mixed coloreds against the native blacks, the native blacks against the Indian coolies, and in their native India the Indians discriminate against the no caste or outcasts. Who is innocent to throw the first stone? Can we not see that all classes of the human race are evil, that if we start reforming we shall be lost in an impossible task, with endless discriminations and many varieties or injustices to beat down, which crusading social and political organizations of this world have hopelessly fought for years? For us to become like them would be to fail with them, consume our time in such reforms, lose out as Jehovah’s witnesses, and please only the Devil.

    So let us please God by preaching the gospel despite the undesirable conditions the Devil’s world may make for us. Let us not be sidetracked by Satan and caught in a subtle snare camouflaged in lofty motives and ideals. Can we not wait upon Jehovah to avenge the wrongs we suffer now? Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase. What if the worldly wise and powerful and noble look down on them as foolish and weak and ignoble, not on an equality with self-exalted whites? It is to God’s ultimate honor, for he confounds the wise of this world by choosing those the world considers foolish and weak and ignoble. Let us boast in Jehovah and in our equality in his sight, rather than wanting to boast in equality in the world’s sight. (1 Cor. 1:26-31, NW) In due time the exalted ones will be humbled, and the humble ones will be exalted. (Matt. 23:12) All of us await this vindication from God, which will come in his due time. Until then, as Paul advised concerning slavery we advise concerning its lingering trace, segregation: "Do not let it worry you." (1 Cor. 7:21, NW) When possible we will meet together, when not possible we will meet separately; but in either event we are always united in spirit, brothers equal in our own sight, in Christ’s sight, and in God’s sight.

  • calico
    calico

    I attended a congregation in Florida back in the 70's. The KH was in a residential neighborhood and I remember being told that the people who lived aroung the KH would be very upset and cause trouble if they saw black brothers and sisters coming to our meetings.

  • reneeisorym
    reneeisorym

    There is a hall in Hattiesburg, MS. One is the East Hattiesburg congregation that meets at one time. Then there is a Central Hattiesburg one that meets at another time. The territory just happens to be devided to where there are only 2 white families in the "black" congregation and a few black ones in the other one. I never could understand why they couldn't change the borders up so that it was more mixed. I realize that an area in the south could all be one color making that hall all one color. . But they meet in the same hall. I couldn't understand it. It still is like that when I was in 2 years ago.

    Then Meridian, MS is similar. There are two congregations in the same hall. One has one or two white families and all else are black. The other hall is half and half.

  • DocBob
    DocBob

    I know of a black congregation and a white congregation that were in the same territory just outside Charleston, SC as late as the mid 1990's.

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