by tan 25 Replies latest watchtower bible
My young daughter asked this question regarding Adam & Eve:
If they were perfect, why did they need to eat from the tree of good and bad anyway?
We eat to nourish our bodies, we eat to replenish, we eat for energy....they were perfect and would not need those things.
From the mouth of babes...
What's your thoughts...
Well... we were taught that they wanted to be like God, no? That is what Genesis says, right?
Genesis 3: 6,7 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasant to the eyes and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took the fruit thereof and did eat and gave also unto her husband...and he did eat...and the eyes of both of them were opened
Everything Satan said came true.
Well, not exactly. Yes, they were perfect. God created them perfect. But obviously, since God created trees and fruits and vegetable for them to eat, eating had nothing to do with being perfect. Just because they ate doesn't mean they weren't perfect and just because they were perfect, doesn't mean they didn't need to eat. Their perfection was mostly with their choices and aging process.
Jesus was also perfect yet he ate and had to eat to survive. In addition, just because one is perfect doesn't mean one can't die. By being perfect, one can't naturally die from old age or sickness. Look at Jesus. He died but not from sickness or old age. He died because he was killed. He was also weak because he was starved. He even expressed being thirsty since he asked for water at the well and when on the stake.
So, again eating doesn't mean not being perfect. If that were the case, why would God create trees so we can eat from them?
justahuman - but super nonetheless
Well, except for the part where Satan said, ''you positively will not die''
....which on reflection was said based on knowing that the tree of life would keep them alive,
So God had to block Adam and Eve from eating of the tree of life so that they could live forever...(and make Satan would look like a liar).
But of course this is all just a story and allegory.
Tan, tell her that it was not for nourishment. It was for knowledge that they did not have.
However, does she really believe in a talking snake and an invisible being appearing to Eve.
And can a piece of fruit give you knowledge? After eating..Oh! Look were' naked! This is bad, must cover up.
Since when is a body that God made naked bad?
Blueblades
Yes, they were perfect. God created them perfect.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
If they were perfect, why did they need to eat from the tree of good and bad anyway?
G-d kicked out Adam and Eve so that they could not eat from the tree of life- this implies that Adam and Eve were created mortal and subject to death, hence they were not perfect in a strict sense. The first time sin is mentioned in the Bible is in connection with Cain and Abel, I believe. The problem with this strict reading of Genesis is when people come back with this question, "Well, if Adam and Eve were not created perfect, then why do they need Jesus as a ransom sacrifice?" oops!
Of course, you have to believe in the veracity of Genesis story to start with.
If they were perfect, why did they need to eat from the tree of good and bad anyway?
We eat to nourish our bodies, we eat to replenish, we eat for energy....they were perfect and would not need those things.
From the mouth of babes...
What's your thoughts...
Logic. Simple logic.
That is all I ask that you apply.
Anything which is PERFECT is demonstrably PERFECT.
PERFECT is as perfect DOES.
What did Adam do that demonstrated he was PERFECT?
Nothing.
Adam only had one test of perfect applied to him and he failed.
Adam, therefore, cannot have been PERFECT.
Simple logic.
Why do people keep asserting Adam was perfect?
A circle has to be round in order to be a circle.
You have to understand the difference between POTENTIAL perfection and ACTUAL perfection.
1.You start with a standard of perfection clearly defined.
2.You test the potentially "perfect" thing according to the standard.
3.The outcome of the test demonstrates ACTUAL perfection or ACTUAL imperfection.
Adam was never able to demonstrate perfect. Therefore, Adam was IMperfect.
Why is it people cannot demonstrate clear thinking?
It boggles my mind.
Jesus and Adam are held out to be equivalent in scripture.
Adam was to be measured by a simple standard: obedience. Adam was potentially able to be obedient. In actual testing he was not perfect.
Jesus was measured by a simple standard: obedience. Jesus was potentially able andactually able through testing to demonstrate perfect.
See the difference?
