by Fe2O3Girl 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Adam was supposed to just do whatever Jehovah told him to do.
Oh, so this is WTS teaching us that we should just do whatever Jehovah tells us to do.
We have free will, so we have to remember to obey.
Since Jehovah is declaring what we should do through the Watchtower Talmud Magazine,
we should just do whatever it's publishers say to do.
I get it. Self-serving doctrine. Kind of like all of religion in all of history.
RAF.. why I believe the whole bible theory is a pile of crap! I have no desire to believe in something so insane as the bible's theory on life!
LTF : RAF.. why I believe the whole bible theory is a pile of crap! I have no desire to believe in something so insane as the bible's theory on life! Believe me, I'm not the one who will or even want push you to believe anything ... I can respect your point of view on the matter ... I've even been there myself
Believe me, I'm not the one who will or even want push you to believe anything
I mean : actually that's what free will is all about ... (see it feels good - to have it) ... if this is not a real gift what is it?
I always had a problem with the term "perfection." What does this mean, other than physical attributes?
How does a perfect person act as compared to an inperfect human? Are they smarter? Is their memory capacity greater? Are they more moral? Are they less selfish? Are they kinder? When you start going beyond just the physical attributes, it gets a little foggy.
And just because a person may be perfect in form, that does not mean that they cant break their arm, or lose a limb in an accident. Or evey die. If a perfect human has a building fall on him or her, they will get smashed just like someone who is less than perfect.
Thanks for the replies so far. Like eclipse, I found Terry's comments on Adam's supposed perfection very interesting.
However, my query is not really so much about what it means to be perfect, or Adamic sin, or free will, as where exactly we got the idea that Adam was perfect in the first place. I suspect this is a JW-ism that we have swallowed and assume it is in the Bible. I don't see any explicit statements in the Bible that Adam was a perfect human, and I wonder what mainstream Christian churches teach about this (if anything).
What do you think?
Do animals know good from bad? is their any right or wrong for an animal? No. They operate on instinct. I feel this is the gist of the Genesis story- Humans could cross over to thinking and reasoning creatures and separate from the rest of the animal kingdom, but God tells man and woman it will come with a price. Humans became self-aware and had to live with the knowledge of their future death, and the consequences of their individual life choices- good and bad.
Moshe - since it was your myth first, I would appreciate your perspective. Is the Jewish view of the Genesis account that Adam was a perfect human?
I like moshe analogy ...
Sorry it's like you feel we are hijaking your thread ... I hope it's not the case ...
Do any mainstream Christian churches hold this teaching of human physical perfection?
Well, that was not something I'd learned in ANY church. I didn't hear of it till they drilled it in me. I was always taught he and Eve were the FIRST humans.
If you take away Adam and their whole perfection theory, then that leaves the entire after-stories hanging out to dry-like "paradise", the origins of sickness, death and submission of women to a perfect man.
