by stillajwexelder 33 Replies latest watchtower bible
From hibiscusfire: "What do you know about God?"
You first.
Maybe he was answering the question.
Actually, knowing that what you've learned about something is wrong is not necessarily a bad thing - if you actually want to know what's true. Atleast then you've found that what you've previously learned is not it. Anyway, negative thoughts wouldn't be a problem if it isn't just ideas you believe in, otherwise it just shows you are defending a belief system.
You know, in a vaccum, especially a partially self-imposed vacuum, the theories can run wild and all of them sound logical when not countered by anything that can be absolutely proven.
But that's changing now since 1947. You see leading up to the second coming and Armagddon, the sealing of the anointed that goes on after the second coming and Satan is kicked out of heaven, sometimes requires some rather direct interaction with angels, holy spirit and God himself. So those on the inside curve of all those things have more direct evidence and knowledge of the truth and God and the Bible. So for them, all these books are either on point or completely off point. The "sacred secrets" of the Bible have their own mystification and esoteric understanding that the gnostics are not a part of.
But on casual observation, subjectively, it is interesting how many are not protected from these "wild goose chases" because they don't have anything more specific to save them from taking that journey. But if you've spoken to God personally or seen an angel personally, then you have less wonderment about these things. Even so, you feel rather badly for those who have not those close-up experiences to save them from wild speculation that will lead them no closer to the truth they seek than any other book of fiction. I suppose it can't be helped, but it's nice not to have to go through with that. It's like all your friends who invested all their savings in the stock market and the market crashed and they are going through a total life change, but you kept your money in a low-interest account or in bonds and so you money is safe. You feel sorry for your friends, but didn't have to cancel your tickets to Brazil. The only difference is that you don't really discuss that with your friends who lost their money because you know they can't go, though they want to. You book a connecting flight to some small town where your aging mother lives so you can tell them: "Oh, um, I'm going to be out of town for a month or so. I have to go to SmallTown to visit my mother, you know, he's getting along in age and hasn't been feeling that well. So I'll see you guys in a month!" You flly to SmallTown, call your mother from airport and say, "hi mom, I'm on my way to Brazil, my connecting flight leaves in 5 minutes! Sorry I couldn't see you this time!"
JCanon
JCannon
But that's changing now since 1947. You see leading up to the second coming and Armagddon, the sealing of the anointed that goes on after the second coming and Satan is kicked out of heaven, sometimes requires some rather direct interaction with angels, holy spirit and God himself. So those on the inside curve of all those things have more direct evidence and knowledge of the truth and God and the Bible. So for them, all these books are either on point or completely off point. The "sacred secrets" of the Bible have their own mystification and esoteric understanding that the gnostics are not a part of.
Sacred secret of the bible #1
God didn't say things literally so you need guidance from him thru his chosen ones.
Sacred secret of the bible #2
God wants you to do the things he tell his chosen ones.
Sacred secret of the bible #3
God does not wants you to do the thing the devil's followers tell you to do.
Sacred secret of the bible #4
You will only find out who is god's chosen after the fact.
Sacred secret of the bible #5
Your really screwed either way.
Sacred secret of the bible #1
God didn't say things literally so you need guidance from him thru his chosen ones.
Sacred secret of the bible #2
God wants you to do the things he tell his chosen ones.
Sacred secret of the bible #3
God does not wants you to do the thing the devil's followers tell you to do.
Sacred secret of the bible #4
You will only find out who is god's chosen after the fact.
Sacred secret of the bible #5
Your really screwed either way.
Interesting point of view, but not quite accurate. You are supposed to always use the Bible to double-check for accuracy and authenticity. You are expressly told in the Bible not to believe anyone, even an angel that tells you something different than what the Bible says.
So that's your checkpoint. If someone claims to be sent from God, then be like the Bereans. Say, Thanks, and check it out Biblically. If they don't check out, then they haven't been sent from God. Don't believe them. So you're not really screwed here, because everybody can get a personal copy of the Bible these days, right?
Here's a pre-test that's already in the Bible as an example and exercise:
1 JOHN 4: 2 Y OU gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God, 3 but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s [inspired expression] which YOU have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
Okay. We know that the antichrist will be saying that Jesus did not come in the flesh. Now this verse doesn't say if its the first coming or the second coming, now does it. So it's not up to us to exclude this from the second coming. In that case anyone saying that Jesus did not come in the flesh would be the antichrist. Now JWs claim Jesus arrived in 1914 and they are now saying, "Jesus did not arrive in the flesh." Which means?
a) The Bible is wrong about Jesus' invisible second coming.
b) This is an exception to the rule and only applies to the first coming.
c) The WTS are part of the antichrist.
RIGHT! You got it! The answer is: C! See? That exercise when very well! You just have to do that with anybody else making any claims. That includes me. For instance, I'm claiming 1947 was a significant event. What is connected to that? Why am I saying that? Well I claim it's the "end of the gentile times". OK.
The WTS says 1914 was the "end of the genitile times." Now the "appointed times of the nations" related to Jerusalem and the Promised Land being ruled by the gentiles and the Jews in exile. So if you compare 1914 to 1947, which do you think is the better and more appropriate end of the gentile times? The Jews had no country in 1914. They were still in exile. But in 1947 they had their own country again. They were no longer ruled by the gentiles. So the "gentile times" ended for them in 1947. Now I think most people would agree with me here. So that adds credibility for 1947.
Plus I claim it was a JUBILEE! Now being freed from bondage and being restored to your inheritance are two themes of the jubilee. How appropriate that this critical event in Jewish history, their return to the homeland would happen on a jubilee year. So is 1947 a jubilee year? Absolutely!
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But there's more. The end of the Jewish exile ends the symbolic 1290 days as well. The messiah would arrive at 1335 days, 45 years later! That points to 1992 when 1947 is the end of the 1290 days. But we know that this must also be 2520 years after the fall of Jerusalem. In that case Jersualem must fall in 529BCE. Did it? YES! How do we know? Because of the VAT4956. It contains two secret references to the original chronology, hidden there to "hide in plain sight" what the original chronology was. Those two references point to 511 BCE as year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, in which case his rule would begin in 547BCE and his 19th year would fall in 529BCE. That's not a, "OMG! What a HUGE COINCIDENCE!" This is direct proof of what the original chronology actually was, and of course, it matches the Bible's timeline perfectly. How so?
Well, per the Bible 70 years of desolation began with the last deportation, starting in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar, which per the VAT4956 we can date to 525BCE. Thus the 1st of Cyrus falls in 455BCE. That is when the "word goes forth to rebuild Jerusalem" which is 483 years from when the first coming occurs. 483 years (69 weeks) from 455BCE is 29BCE. Jesus, indeed, was baptized in 29 CE. So you have perfect harmony now between 29 CE, 455BCE, 529BCE, 1992 and 1947! What's not to believe? See? I check out Biblically quite well. I don't just say: "And now, you can put down your Bibles and listen to what I say." No. I encourage you to confirm every single thing I say with the Bible.
So it is not like you say. You don't follow some inspired leader blindly. You make sure they come from God by checking out every little thing they say with the Bible. Thus the Bible becomes your assurance, not the leader. Follow the MESSAGE, not the messenger!
JC
"The messiah would arrive at 1335 days, 45 years later! That points to 1992"
Well, firstly, 1992? So what's he been doing since then, sitting on a heavenly toilet?
"Say, Thanks, and check it out Biblically. If they don't check out, then they haven't been sent from God. Don't believe them. So you're not really screwed here, because everybody can get a personal copy of the Bible these days, right?"
Well 99% of what you have said is NOT in the Bible - which is why your comments are almost devoid of scripture. But, before you deluge me with the scriptures in Daniel I already know, the problem is, as always, with the INTERPRETATION of prophesy.
And, since the Bible can be made to say almost anything - there are thousands of credible sounding explanations of prophesy that contradict each other - you really are screwed either way!
BEFORE God began creating.......he wasn't a CREATOR.
BEFORE God began creating.....there was nothing......and therefore nothing TO KNOW.
BEFORE God began creating...there was nothing and nothing to know....and therefore nothing to LOVE.
BEFORE God began creating...He was alone with nothing to distinguish him from nothingness except His mind.
God wasn't anyplace. God wasn't doing anything with anybody. Eternity of nothing was God's claim to fame.
God could not be ALL-KNOWING (there was nothing to know).
God could not be ALL-POWERFUL (nothing over which to exert power).
God could not be JUST (no wrongs to right).
God could not be WISE (no knowledge about things as yet created).
Therefore:
In what sense could GOD actually EXIST? To exist you must BE something rather than nothing. How was God distinguishable from nothing?
God would have no attributes, identity or context.
A God of Love with nothing to love? A God of wisdom with nothing to actually know?
Consequently, only in the mind of MAN can God find context and omniscience, power, etc.
MAN INVENTED GOD.
Terry, I think that's one of the most insightful things I've ever read.
Wow!
Thanks.
BELIEFS about god are endless. What follows the colon is everything I KNOW about god, and anything else is speculation and conjecture: .
Terry:
MAN INVENTED GOD.
And who invented man?
hibiscusfire
And who invented man? hibiscusfire
read The Selfish Gene by Dawkins that will help you
