If I was Satan.........

by beginnersmind 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  beginnersmind

  The Dragons post about wether Satan was a hypocrite got me thinking.

  If according to Gen 3:15 and the prophecy thats supposed to mean Satan was going to kill Jesus (brusing in the heel) and then Jesus is going to destroy Satan (bruising in the head) that would mean Satan would know at an early stage what his life would entail right?

  If I was Satan (I'm not by the way) I might have 'looked' at this and other prophecies and decided I'm not going to help fulfill them. I'm gonna sit and chill and do nothing. If Jesus would still have been put to death then Satan would have made Gen 3:15 false because he had nothing to do with it and in fact it would be slander against him right?(Although I doubt he would have been able to prove it!)

  If I was Satan and after rebelling I discovered I was going to be destroyed for whatever reason (Was it purely for rebelling against God he was to be destroyed or the things he was yet to do?) I might have tried to beg for forgiveness and say I dont want this destiny. I might have decided to be mischevious and not gone along with everything or is Satans whole life or existence simply destiny. If it isnt destiny surely he would have altered it?!

  Finally just going back to a previous point. I thought Jesus had to die (perfect life for a perfect life) so why would Satan deliberately want to kill Jesus as this would only be playing into Gods hands? It doesnt make sense. All I can say is if Gen 3:15 does have the interpretation above and is doing all that he's supposed to be doing according to the Bible then I cant see how Satan had/has any choice in anything or has free will.

  If I was Satan.......oh man I'm glad I'm not!

  ps before anybody else posts it "Satan is a fictional character" (not my own view)
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  unique1

  Yeah, there isn't a whole lot of reasoning there. They don't look at the big picture, just swallow what they are given.
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  Honesty

  If I was Satan I would fire the Watchtower Society.

  Out of almost 6 billion people on earth they can only deceive 6 million of them...

  Pretty poor statistics, me thinks.
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  eclipse

  That was very interesting beginnersmind, I like the way your mind thinks.

  Honesty, If Satan were real, do you really think he would give a rats ass about such an insignifigant religion as the witnesses?

  Please, we all know he would only be associated with the big money making religions. More glory that way.
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  Paralipomenon

  Yeah, it would suck to be satan.
  
  Satan: I challenge your rule!
  God: Okay, you can have the chance to challenge it.
  God: Oh, by the way, I've already seen the future, I win then I kill you.
  God: Have fun!
  Satan: Dammit!
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  poppers

  From Honesty:
  
  "If I was Satan I would fire the Watchtower Society.
  
  Out of almost 6 billion people on earth they can only deceive 6 million of them...
  
  Pretty poor statistics, me thinks."
  
  LOL!
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  eclipse

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

  According to the article on 'Satan' in the Jewish Encyclopedia, Satan's role as the accuser is found "in the prologue to the Book of Job, where Satan appears, together with other celestial beings or 'sons of God,' before the Deity, replying to the inquiry of God as to whence he had come, with the words: 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.' (Job 1:7)

  Both question and answer, as well as the dialogue which follows, characterize Satan as that member of the divine council who watches over human activity, but with the evil purpose of searching out men's sins and appearing as their accuser. He is, therefore, the celestial prosecutor, lawyer who sees only iniquity; for he persists in his evil opinion of Job even after the man of Uz has passed successfully through his first trial by surrendering to the will of God, whereupon Satan demands another test through physical suffering. (ib. ii. 3-5.)"

  "Yet it is also evident from the prologue that Satan has no power of independent action, but requires the permission of God, which he may not transgress. He cannot be regarded, therefore, as an opponent of the Deity; and the doctrine of monotheism is disturbed by his existence no more than by the presence of other beings before the face of God. This view is also retained in Zech. 3:1-2, where Satan is described as the adversary of the high priest Joshua, and of the people of God whose representative the hierarch is; and he there opposes the 'angel of the Lord' who bids him be silent in the name of God."

  "In both of these passages Satan is a mere accuser who acts only according to the permission of the Deity; but in I Chron. 21:1 he appears as one who is able to provoke David to destroy Israel. The Chronicler (third century B.C.) regards Satan as an independent agent, a view which is the more striking since the source whence he drew his account (II Sam. 24:1) speaks of God Himself as the one who moved David against the children of Israel. Since the older conception refers all events, whether good or bad, to God alone, (I Sam. 16:14; I Kings 22:22; Isa. 45:7; etc) it is possible that the Chronicler, and perhaps even Zechariah, were influenced by Zoroastrianism, even though in the case of the prophet Jewish monism strongly opposed Iraniandualism. (Stave, Einfluss des Parsismus auf das Judenthum, pp. 253 et seq.) An immediate influence of the Babylonian concept of the 'accuser, persecutor, and oppressor' (Schrader, K. A. T. 3d ed., p. 463) is impossible, since traces of such an influence, if it had existed, would have appeared in the earlier portions of the Bible." [7]

  With regard to the 1 Chronicles 21:1 passage, it is known that, at times, Yahweh gives Satan the authority to carry out wicked deeds, as in the book of Job. It has similarly been argued that in Christianity's New Testament, Satan entered Judas so that the Son of Man could be delivered over to the officials. (Luke 22:3)

  Learning that the God of the Bible, which theists believe as being the creator of the earth and deserving of worship, how do they reconcile the fact that Satan did nothing in the Bible without God's expressed approval and permission?

  To test us, is what they will say. Precisely why I will never worship a deity in the Bible who is sick enough to allow a being more powerful to test his weaker creation so the weaker creation (man) has to prove loyalty. A just and loving god? I think not.
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  Awakened07

  The ultimate rebel - doing exactly what his father has told him.

  I think that if I had challenged the leadership in my company and they let me have a period to show if I would be able to lead, and get the workers to do a good job under me, I would have done my very best to help the employees do their job - not send "my people" around the cubicles in order to sabotage their work.

  Why would I wanna go "HAHAHAHAHAAAA!! I wrecked your stupid company, losers!!!" - - knowing the reply would be: - - "Umm, yes - that's exactly what we said would happen...".
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  wherehasmyhairgone

  Satan: I challenge your rule!
  God: Okay, you can have the chance to challenge it.
  God: Oh, by the way, I've already seen the future, I win then I kill you.
  God: Have fun!
  Satan: Dammit!

  Quote of the day!, I love it.
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  freeme

  its where the idea of destiny comes from.someone tells the future and even though the individum knows the future it cant change it. its his destiny. when i brought up this question as a kid i was told that satan is SOOOO angry he doesnt care fulfilling prophecies. he knows he gonna die and trys to create as much chaos as possible.

  make me wonder why we dont have a a-bomb in a random city per day...