Fear of death.

by JeffT 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    I'm noticing a trend in the modern world. Everything comes with a scare story. This was prompted by the shark steak thread and the talk about mercury in the food chain. Yes its there, and its poisonous, but the danger can be mitigated by reasonable behavior.

    But the larger issue I see is that everybody wants complete safety in everything. No plane crashes, no mine disasters, no window washers falling off the sides of buildings, no doctor visits with bad outcomes. My Dad's outfit (the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center) had to fight off a lawsuit because twenty years ago they didn't know how to cure leukemia. In his new book John Stossel documents a case where a company got sued because they didn't put a notice on their packaging that swallowing fishing lures could be dangerous (!!!),

    If this problem was confined to this board I'd write it off as ex-witnesses coming to grips with the fact that we're not going to live forever in paradise earth, but its everywhere.

    Here's a news flash world: someday you're going to die. Deal with it.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Select Quotes from “The Denial of Death” by Ernest Becker

    An animal who gets his feeling of worth symbolically has to minutely compare himself to those around him, to make sure he doesn't come off second-best. Sibling rivalry is a critical problem that reflects the basic human condition: it is not that children are vicious, selfish, or domineering. It is that they so openly express man's tragic destiny: he must des¬perately justify himself as an object of primary value in the uni¬verse; he must stand out, be a hero, make the biggest possible con¬tribution to world life, show that he counts more than anything or anyone else.
    p. 4

    It doesn't matter whether the cultural hero-system is frankly magical, religious, and primitive or secular, scientific, and civilized. It is still a mythical hero-system in which people serve in order to earn a feeling of primary value, of cosmic specialness, of ultimate usefulness to creation, of unshakable meaning. They earn this feel¬ing by carving out a place in nature, by building an edifice that reflects human value: a temple, a cathedral, a totem pole, a sky¬scraper, a family that spans three generations. The hope and belief is that the things that man creates in society are of lasting worth and meaning, that they outlive or outshine death and decay, that man and his products count. When Norman 0. Brown said that Western society since Newton, no matter how scientific or secular it claims to be, is still as "religious" as any other, this is what he meant: "civilized" society is a hopeful belief and protest that science, money and goods make man count for more than any other animal. In this sense everything that man does is religious and heroic, and yet in danger of being fictitious and fallible.
    p. 5

    The first thing we have to do with heroism is to lay bare its under¬side, show what gives human heroics its specific nature and impetus. Here we introduce directly one of the great rediscoveries of modern thought: that of all things that move man, one of the principal ones is his terror of death. After Darwin the problem of death as an evolutionary one came to the fore, and many thinkers immediately saw that it was a major psychological problem for man.2 They also very quickly saw what real heroism was about, as Shaler wrote just at the turn of the century:3 heroism is first and foremost a reflex of the terror of death. We admire most the courage to face death; we give such valor our highest and most constant adoration; it moves us deeply in our hearts because we have doubts about how brave we ourselves would be. When we see a man bravely facing his own extinction we rehearse the greatest victory we can imagine. And so the hero has been the center of human honor and acclaim since probably the beginning of specifically human evolution. But even before that our primate ancestors deferred to others who were extrapowerful and courageous and ignored those who were cowardly. Man has elevated animal courage into a cult.

    Anthropological and historical research also began, in the nine¬teenth century, to put together a picture of the heroic since primi¬tive and ancient times. The hero was the man who could go into the spirit world, the world of the dead, and return alive. He had his descendants in the mystery cults of the Eastern Mediterranean, which were cults of death and resurrection. The divine hero of each of these cults was one who had come back from the dead. And as we know today from the research into ancient myths and rituals, Christianity itself was a competitor with the mystery cults and won out—among other reasons—because it, too, featured a healer with supernatural powers who had risen from the dead. The great triumph of Easter is the joyful shout "Christ has risen!", an echo of the same joy that the devotees of the mystery cults enacted at their ceremonies of the victory over death. These cults, as G. Stanley Hall so aptly put it, were an attempt to attain "an immunity bath" from the greatest evil: death and the dread of it.4 All historical reli¬gions addressed themselves to this same problem of how to bear the end of life. Religions like Hinduism and Buddhism performed the ingenious trick of pretending not to want to be reborn, which is a sort of negative magic: claiming not to want what you really want most.5
    p. 11,12

    If you have a “sour” character structure or especially tragic experiences, then you are bound to be pessimistic.
    p. 14

    We might call this existential paradox the condition of indi¬viduality within finitude. Man has a symbolic identity that brings him sharply out of nature. He is a symbolic self, a creature with a name, a life history. He is a creator with a mind that soars out to speculate about atoms and infinity, who can place himself imagina¬tively at a point in space and contemplate bemusedly his own planet. This immense expansion, this dexterity, this ethereality, this self-consciousness gives to man literally the status of a small god in nature, as the Renaissance thinkers knew.
    Yet, at the same time, as the Eastern sages also knew, man is a worm and food for worms. This is the paradox: he is out of nature and hopelessly in it; he is dual, up in the stars and yet housed in a heart-pumping, breath-gasping body that once belonged to a fish and still carries the gill-marks to prove it. His body is a material fleshy casing that is alien to him in many ways—the strangest and most repugnant way being that it aches and bleeds and will decay and die. Man is literally split in two: he has an awareness of his own splendid uniqueness in that he sticks out of nature with a towering majesty, and yet he goes back into the ground a few feet in order blindly and dumbly to rot and disappear forever. It is a terrifying dilemma to be in and to have to live with. The lower animals are, of course, spared this painful contradiction, as they lack a symbolic identity and the self-consciousness that goes with it. They merely act and move reflexively as they are driven by their instincts. If they pause at all, it is only a physical pause; inside they are anonymous, and even their faces have no name. They live in a world without time, pulsating, as it were, in a state of dumb being. This is what has made it so simple to shoot down whole herds of buffalo or elephants. The animals don't know that death is hap¬pening and continue grazing placidly while others drop alongside them. The knowledge of death is reflective and conceptual, and animals are spared it. They live and they disappear with the same thoughtlessness: a few minutes of fear, a few seconds of anguish, and it is over. But to live a whole lifetime with the fate of death haunting one's dreams and even the most sun-filled days—that's something else.

    It is only if you let the full weight of this paradox sink down on your mind and feelings that you can realize what an impossible situation it is for an animal to be in. I believe that those who speculate that a full apprehension of man's condition would drive him insane are right, quite literally right. Babies are occasionally born with gills and tails, but this is not publicized—instead it is hushed up. Who wants to face up fully to the creatures we are, clawing and gasping for breath in a universe beyond our ken? I think such events illustrate the meaning of Pascal's chilling reflec¬tion: "Men are so necessarily mad that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness." Necessarily because the existential dualism makes an impossible situation, an excruciating dilemma. Mad because, as we shall see, everything that man does in his symbolic world is an attempt to deny and overcome his grotesque fate. He literally drives himself into a blind obliviousness with social games, psychological tricks, personal preoccupations so far removed from the reality of his situation that they are forms of madness—agreed madness, shared madness, disguised and dignified madness, but madness all the same. "Character-traits," said Sandor Ferenczi, one of the most brilliant minds of Freud's intimate circle of early psychoanalysts, "are secret psychoses." This is not a smug witticism offered in passing by a young science drunk with its own explanatory power and success; it is a mature scientific judgment of the most devastating self-revelatory kind ever fashioned by man trying to understand himself. Ferenczi had already seen behind the tight-lipped masks, the smiling masks, the earnest masks, the satisfied masks that people use to bluff the world and themselves about their secret psychoses.
    p. 26, 27

    If you get rid of the four-layered neurotic shield, the armor that covers the characterological lie about life, how can you talk about “enjoying” this Pyrrhic victory? The person gives up something restricting and illusory, it is true, but only to come face to face with something even more awful: genuine despair. Full humanness means full fear and trembling, at least some of the waking day. When you get a person to emerge into life, away from his dependencies, his automatic safety in the cloak of someone else's power, what joy can you promise him with the burden of his aloneness? When you get a person to look at the sun as it bakes down on the daily carnage taking place on earth, the ridiculous accidents, the utter fragility of life, the power¬lessness of those he thought most powerful—what comfort can you give him from a psychotherapeutic point of view? Luis Buimel likes to introduce a mad dog into his films as counterpoint to the secure daily routine of repressed living. The meaning of his sym¬bolism is that no matter what men pretend, they are only one ac¬cidental bite away from utter fallibility. The artist disguises the incongruity that is the pulse-beat of madness but he is aware of it. What would the average man do with a full consciousness of ab¬surdity? He has fashioned his character for the precise purpose of putting it between himself and the facts of life; it is his special tour-de-force that allows him to ignore incongruities, to nourish himself on impossibilities, to thrive on blindness. He accomplishes thereby a peculiarly human victory: the ability to be smug about terror. Sartre has called man a "useless passion" because he is so hopelessly bungled, so deluded about his true condition. He wants to be a god with only the equipment of an animal, and so he thrives on fantasies. As Ortega so well put it in the epigraph we have used for this chapter, man uses his ideas for the defense of his existence, to frighten away reality. This is a serious game, the defense of one's existence—how take it away from people and leave them joyous?
    p. 58, 59

    The tragedy of life that Searles is referring to is the one we have been discussing: man's finitude, his dread of death and of the over¬whelmingness of life. The schizophrenic feels these more than any¬one else because he has not been able to build the confident defenses that a person normally uses to deny them. The schizo¬phrenic's misfortune is that he has been burdened with extra anxieties, extra guilt, extra helplessness, an even more unpredictable and unsupportive environment. He is not surely seated in his body, has no secure base from which to negotiate a defiance of and a denial of the real nature of the world. The parents have made him massively inept as an organism. He has to contrive extra-ingenious and extra-desperate ways of living in the world that will keep him from being torn apart by experience, since he is already almost apart. We see again confirmed the point of view that a person's character is a defense against despair, an attempt to avoid insanity because of the real nature of the world. Searles looks at schizo¬phrenia precisely as the result of the inability to shut out terror, as a desperate style of living with terror. Frankly I don't know any¬thing more cogent that needs to be said about this syndrome: it is a failure in humanization, which means a failure to confidently deny man's real situation on this planet. Schizophrenia is the limiting test case for the theory of character and reality that we have been ex¬pounding here: the failure to build dependable character defenses allows the true nature of reality to appear to man. It is scientifically apodictic. The creativity of people on the schizophrenic end of the human continuum is a creativity that springs from the inability to accept the standardized cultural denials of the real nature of ex¬perience. And the price of this kind of almost "extra human" crea¬tivity is to live on the brink of madness, as men have long known. The schizophrenic is supremely creative in an almost extra-human sense because he is furthest from the animal: he lacks the secure instinctive programming of lower organisms; and he lacks the secure cultural programming of average men. No wonder he appears to average men as "crazy": he is not in anything's world.
    p. 63, 64

  • BrentR
    BrentR

    Bring back lawn darts dammit!!!! Those were pretty fun as a kid.

  • Wordly Andre
    Wordly Andre

    I think about death more when I'm on my bike, I think some people just aim for me.

  • RAF
    RAF

    I most fear any pain than death (death just looks like : THE END)

    I've been close to death twice (which would have been murderers actually)

    you may think that being strangulated is painfull but in fact at some point you don't feel the pain anymore, what was painfull was to hear my son in the other bedroom and thinking that his dad was about to kill me (without even realising it / he was acting like a zomby) and that Tony would be an orphan at 9 months. It would be too long to explain but it's the big flow of my tears which saved me (it got very,very, very cold behind my neck/in my hair and his big big big hands. I think that's what woke him up from his zombiness)

    Second time didn't really have the time to think about the danger and I was floting in the air head first from the second floor, I just had the time to think : "I'm done" when I've realised that I was standing on my feet - it was like a miracle that my hand joined what we call "la rampe" and reversed my body without even thinking about it.

    Death I'm ready (my son is big enough) - pain I don't know

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    I agree with RAF; I fear the pain of dying more than death itself. I don't fear not existing; sleep without dreams. And it's going to happen anyways.

  • tonic
    tonic

    I consider death a job transfer. No fear there... it's kind of exciting really. No, I don't have a death wish. I agree though that way too many people are extremely terrified of death, but it's a good concept to get comfortable with since it's going to happen to all of us - even Jesus died! :)

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    Tonic

    Welcome to the board

    I see you've been a member for two years as of today. Any particular reason for waiting to post until now? Just curious.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    RAF,

    Death I'm ready (my son is big enough) - pain I don't know

    Yup, I don't fear dying it's the pain I don't like. And then if you get reincarnated the pain of being born. I think I will just head towards the diamond light and skip the whole rebirth thingy.

  • educ8self
    educ8self

    This thread reminds me of that scene in Fight Club where he is getting the chemical burn on his hand, and he's trying to find escape by visualizing going into a cave and finding his power animal. (which happens to be a penguin) Tyler who is administering the torture says ".. first you have to know, not fear that someday you are going to die. Until then you will be useless." (I think they left that last part out of the movie) Fear of anything usually involves avoidance, which in the end is avoidance of life in some shape or form.

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