by The Oracle 38 Replies latest jw friends
Hello Oracle,
I was born into the borg and served as an elder for 10 years during the 1990's until I was unjustly removed. The whole situation
woke me up to the fact that the wt is a scam. I would be willing to do what I can to assist you in this matter. I marched in the 2002
protest march on wt hq as well. wt must be destroyed. Must go the way of the dodo. You can e-mail me through the board.
Seeker4 can vouch for me.
Sincerely,
Worf
Like the other posters, I jumped ship already, also. I wish you well with this. Personally,
I think the individual's hands are tied by the organizational methods. You can't do too much
from the inside. The most powerful statement one can make is LEAVING. You can
fade or DA or let them DF you, but the exit tells others that some things are wrong.
bttt
Sorry to hijack your thread Oracle.
Nvr, you said:
In one of the last parts I gave before stepping down, I mentioned how, in view of the example of King David, there is really no situation that warrants disfellowshipping.
You know those moments when you feel like you just got hit with a wet fish up the side of your head?
(ok, maybe you don't, but work with me here)
Well that sentence caused a ta-da moment, I never thought about David's story in that light at all.
Don't you love it when you learn something and think, ''damn, why didn't I think of that?''
Kindly provide something in the way of specifics and the reason it is only to the "caring and intelligent men in 'responsible positions'" you direct your call.
AMNESIAN
Hi Amnesion,
Perhaps it is the symptons of a nasty WT hangover from the 40 years of brainwashing that I have yet to fully shake free from, that caused me to write "men" in responsible positions as opposed to making a general call to men and women. I guess I am looking to effect change by influencing the leadership. And since the WT organization leaders are all men, they become my target for infiltration and influence. I certainly don't want to exclude women from drawing their swords and heading in to battle. If you happen to be a woman and are eager to join the cause then please do.
As for specifics I would happy to share what I am basically thinking. There is no grand scheme that I can reveal at the moment, but here is what I can tell you....
We all know the truth is a sham. Why? It is because we have become educated. By whatever means, whether it be simply personal study, by listening to someone with knowledge, or by surfing the net, visiting the library, meditation on common sense, etc etc. The bottom line is we all now have specific knowledge that has set us free.
Now, the way the WT organization is set up - it is very difficult for this kind of knowledge to reach the rank and file JW. The fear of apostacy, the fear of displeasing Jehovah, the fear of demons, the fear of being disfellowshipped for straying from the straight and narrow path - all these fears contribute to the fact that JWs will rarely allow themselves to get exposed to the kind of information that will educate them and plant seeds of doubt and weaken their faith.
Therefore, I believe the secret to effecting massive disruption, massive loss of faith in JW doctrine, and thus a mass exodus of sorts, lies in accomplishing two things;
1) providing information to the rank and file that they would not normally come accross, and
2) somehow alleviating their fears of examining that information, thus allowing their minds to freely consider things without any of the aforementioned fears shutting their minds down before the information has had a chance to take root and work its magic.
Emailing information that can be considered in the privacy of your own home that is designed to be less alarming than an outright attack is the one method I am currently trying. I am having some success with it, and I'd like others to try. Other methods should be thought of and tested as well. Whatever works best we will use.
I also wanted to start a dialogue with other elders and WT leaders who are of the same mind as myself. I have written a code of ethics for elders that I personally follow, which allows me to stay on as an elder and work out my mission without feeling like a hypocrit. I have copied it on an earlier post somewhere, I have edited it a bit since then - but at any rate, I would like to share that document with other elders, bethelites, CO's etc and encourage them to stay on serving, but to consider serving under this code of ethics. I certainly do not have all the answers. But I do know that there are many innocent people that I love very much, who are trapped in this evil and dangerous religion. I cannot sit idly by and see these people's lives ruined and the lives of their children threatened to be ruined. It makes me sick to my stomach. Therefore I am trying to do what I can to make a small difference, but my gut tells me that it will become a big difference if I can get more people involved. I realize this forum is more for moral support for ex-JWs, so I may be sounding the battle horn in the wrong camp - but I am certain there are a bunch of, I believe you call them "lurkers" who come to read posts who may be ripe for some recruiting for a truly honorable cause, unlike the false and foolish cause of a door to door evangelical JW.
Once again, I let an email get too long. I hope I answered your question Amnesion! And women are more than welcome to get involved with leading and participating with this campaign!! I ABSOLUTELY hate and abhor the ridiculous discrimination against women in the JW religion, and I apologize profusely for giving off the wrong vibe.
Sincerley
The Oracle
Kindly provide something in the way of specifics and the reason it is only to the "caring and intelligent men in 'responsible positions'" you direct your call.
AMNESIAN
Hi Amnesion,
Perhaps it is the symptons of a nasty WT hangover from the 40 years of brainwashing that I have yet to fully shake free from, that caused me to write "men" in responsible positions as opposed to making a general call to men and women. I guess I am looking to effect change by influencing the leadership. And since the WT organization leaders are all men, they become my target for infiltration and influence. I certainly don't want to exclude women from drawing their swords and heading in to battle. If you happen to be a woman and are eager to join the cause then please do.
As for specifics I would happy to share what I am basically thinking. There is no grand scheme that I can reveal at the moment, but here is what I can tell you....
We all know the truth is a sham. Why? It is because we have become educated. By whatever means, whether it be simply personal study, by listening to someone with knowledge, or by surfing the net, visiting the library, meditation on common sense, etc etc. The bottom line is we all now have specific knowledge that has set us free.
Now, the way the WT organization is set up - it is very difficult for this kind of knowledge to reach the rank and file JW. The fear of apostacy, the fear of displeasing Jehovah, the fear of demons, the fear of being disfellowshipped for straying from the straight and narrow path - all these fears contribute to the fact that JWs will rarely allow themselves to get exposed to the kind of information that will educate them and plant seeds of doubt and weaken their faith.
Therefore, I believe the secret to effecting massive disruption, massive loss of faith in JW doctrine, and thus a mass exodus of sorts, lies in accomplishing two things;
1) providing information to the rank and file that they would not normally come accross, and
2) somehow alleviating their fears of examining that information, thus allowing their minds to freely consider things without any of the aforementioned fears shutting their minds down before the information has had a chance to take root and work its magic.
Emailing information that can be considered in the privacy of your own home that is designed to be less alarming than an outright attack is the one method I am currently trying. I am having some success with it, and I'd like others to try. Other methods should be thought of and tested as well. Whatever works best we will use.
I also wanted to start a dialogue with other elders and WT leaders who are of the same mind as myself. I have written a code of ethics for elders that I personally follow, which allows me to stay on as an elder and work out my mission without feeling like a hypocrit. I have copied it on an earlier post somewhere, I have edited it a bit since then - but at any rate, I would like to share that document with other elders, bethelites, CO's etc and encourage them to stay on serving, but to consider serving under this code of ethics. I certainly do not have all the answers. But I do know that there are many innocent people that I love very much, who are trapped in this evil and dangerous religion. I cannot sit idly by and see these people's lives ruined and the lives of their children threatened to be ruined. It makes me sick to my stomach. Therefore I am trying to do what I can to make a small difference, but my gut tells me that it will become a big difference if I can get more people involved. I realize this forum is more for moral support for ex-JWs, so I may be sounding the battle horn in the wrong camp - but I am certain there are a bunch of, I believe you call them "lurkers" who come to read posts who may be ripe for some recruiting for a truly honorable cause, unlike the false and foolish cause of a door to door evangelical JW.
Once again, I let an email get too long. I hope I answered your question Amnesion! And women are more than welcome to get involved with leading and participating with this campaign!! I ABSOLUTELY hate and abhor the ridiculous discrimination against women in the JW religion, and I apologize profusely for giving off the wrong vibe.
Sincerley
The Oracle
Oracle the men may appear to make the decisions, but often it is the women behind them,or their women friends, etc who are helping him come to decisions.
any elder would be lucky to have Blondie for counsel and conversation.
My husband reminds me that the feds were after Al Capone for the longest time finally got him on tax evasion. How many times have we awoke to the news of yet another scandal in a major corporation? That corp did not fall overnight. It imploded. but it took time and hard work.
very good luck to you .
This is your chance to really do something worthwhile with your life.
... how about something that has nothing to do with WBTS? Why not just walk away clean?
This is your chance to really do something worthwhile with your life.... how about something that has nothing to do with WBTS? Why not just walk away clean?
Too many innocent people being mislead and being put in harms way. A new generation of children born to JW parents must be saved.
I certainly do not condone anyone for leaving (it is a VERY SMART thing to do), however I am hopefull that those who decide to leave can spend some time trying to save as many people as they can before they quietly leave, and for as long a period as they can after they leave as well (as many are doing here). I just can't stand the thought of standing idly by and watching my friends and family waste their lives away and put themselves and their children in harm's way - all for a foolish religion.
Oracle, you can't fix the Watchtower Society. they never have had God's approval and never will because they will never relinquish their control, submit to Jesus nor will they allow the JW's to submit to Jesus.
Get out while you still can.
Hey honesty,
Thanks for your comment!
Oracle, you can't fix the Watchtower Society. they never have had God's approval and never will because they will never relinquish their control, submit to Jesus nor will they allow the JW's to submit to Jesus.
Get out while you still can.
Please be assured, that my desire is not to "fix" the WT Society. Unless of course by fix, you mean to completely irradicate - then yes, yes I do want to "fix" the WT. *Nvrgnbk* - that was for you...hee hee
But seriously, I only want to see innocent, honest hearted ones saved from the dangers, of what I truly believe is a very very VERY dangerous religion. The WT's demise will only be a potentially convenient side effect of my mission.
May peace be with you!
