hydrofluoric acid burn , anyone ?

by troubled mind 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    The thing about hydrophloric acid is that it keeps penetrating through the skin, fat, muscle and to the bone. There was an article in discover mag about this. The guy got it on his arm. To keep his arm, they did something like put on a tourniquit and gave him an iv w something (i think it was a calcium solution) to counter the acid. It was in a mag about 10 or 15 yrs ago. If it still hurts him, it might be good to get further info. Then again, if it was a relatively small percentage of hflc acid compared to the other components, then it may be not serious.

    S

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Satanus is correct.

    HF interacts with calcium, producing water-soluble derivatives which then convert back to HF...a continual debilating process. The only therapy is to flood the body with so much Calcium and ion-exchange resins that the HF can be flushed from the system.

    I worked at Intel, and they use HF in the Litho process. It was understood by all safety protocols that even one drop of HF on the skin could result in massive internal physiological damage. Therefore, even one drop of condensate from a CWR would be categorized as a potential HF contamination, and subsequent 72-hour monitoring to determine the source.

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    Man! Having read plenty of prospecting magazines, I've been aware of the stuff and all the warnings about it, but I had no idea it was that dangerous and insidious! Some of the crazier prospectors use it to dissolve the quartz and ironstone off gold nuggets they've found with their metal detectors.

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    Talk to a lawyer. Talk to OSHA. What the employer did was illegal. OSHA may not 'enforce' as strictly as they should, but they usually lay a heavy punitive hand. Accidents happen, but at the very least your son should have had heavy gloves and eye protection. That is employers responsibility. Get him checked again with doctors. That 'accident' could have been fatal or disabling for your son. And those effects were reasonably entirely avoidable.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    HF might not be that strong as an acid, but it is a powerful redox chemical.

    In fact Fluorine is the only chemical that can oxidize oxygen - some feat

  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy

    That stuff was at one time (and maybe still is,I dunno) a very common (though regarded as very powerful) part of some types of carpet cleaning agents. It was used to treat certain kinds of spots. In certification school, they told us to always be soooo very careful around this stuff. One instructor (suppossedly) knew of a guy who had the carpet spotting solution in a small belt pouch type bottle. The bottle sprung a leak, and because of the way it interacted with his flesh, the solution ate all the way through the flesh on his hip until it destroyed his hip joint - before he even knew what was happening.

    I can't confirm the story, but I never used that type of spotting agent when I had my cleaning business because of that story.

  • DJK
    DJK

    We use many acids where I work. Saftey equipment includes rubber gloves, face shields, saftey glasses and rubber aprons.

    In the event of an acid/chemical contact with skin or eyes, it's 15 minutes in/under running water. There were two employees who were suspended because they didn't follow that procedure. There injuries became much more serious than they should have been because they didn't follow the fifteen minute rule. This is an OSHA requirement and it is also found on most MSDS sheets.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    This illustrates why Jehovah's Witnesses make poor janitors. True, they can clean without scriptural conflicts. However, many of the chemicals are potentially hazardous. And, if you don't know how to counteract them, they can be extremely dangerous.

    Just because hydrofluoric acid is a weak acid doesn't make it any less dangerous. If anything, it makes it even more dangerous because baking soda will not adequately render it harmless as it would hydrochloric acid. HF is one of the few chemicals that can react with glass. And it's true that fluorine is the only element that is a more powerful oxidant than oxygen--even chlorine is not as powerful (chlorine is the third most powerful oxidant; fluorine is the most powerful). For sure, not something you want to be fooling around with. Just tell that to a Jehovah's Witless with no college education and who was too tired to pass the chemistry test in high school because the Theocraptic Misery "School(??)" was the night before.

    Folks, if you are going to work with chemicals, you need to know what they can do and how to neutralize them. Mixing bleach with any Lewis acid, including ammonia, will release dangerous chlorine fumes. There are chemicals that, mixed together, can be deadly. And, some require full face and skin protection. If you work with strong acids in high concentrations, make sure you know how to neutralize them if there is a spill. And, hydrofluoric acid is nothing for someone with little or no chemistry background to fool around with. If you do get any of this on your skin, you had better call the emergency room while flushing with as much water as possible since its damage can go on long after the initial spill. This holds true with any acid, but hydrofluoric acid is probably the most dangerous even if it's only a weak acid. KNOW YOUR CHEMICALS BEFORE USING THEM!

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Troubled mind

    Any news on how it's going?

    S

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Bttt

    S

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