Newspaper Coverage of the UN/WTBTS mess.

by LoneWolf 36 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hey Tom & detective,

    I read the quote detective placed above, and there is an inaccuracy (maybe of non-importance):

    Former members allege that for years the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has issued scathing statements in it's magazines

    In the sentence preceeding this, it was brought out that active & former members contacted the UN. In the paragraphs following this, the term "former members" is used exclusively to indicate the persons who are bringing this charge against the WTBTS.

    To be accurate, even people who have never been affiliated with the WTBTS were incensed enough to research this atrocity and call the UN ---Hawkaw, in particular. The first person to write the UN was Zev, a jw who still attends the meetings with his wife - and is in good standing still.

    Many of us here are members in good standing with the WTBTS, nothing former about it, nor do we agree to be classified as WTBTS-labeled apostates. We are not, we just don't agree and want our freedom.

    With all the hard work and thought that went into this press release and this research, I just don't wish inaccuracies to be pounced upon by jw's. Like them saying "See? Even they admit this is an apostate set-up." No matter that it's the truth. Wendy's mother did that to her, and used it as an excuse not to see the facts, only the presumption of "former members" aka apostates. And jw's know as fact that all apostates lie and can get newspapers, etc., to print twisted lies against their beloved Society.

    Thanks, Tom, for your thread. I enjoy seeing your posts here again.

    waiting

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Tom and Detective,

    thanks for the post and the press

    release. Please follow the suggestion of Waiting:

    "...Many of us here are members in good standing with the WTBTS, nothing former about it, nor do we agree to be classified as WTBTS-labeled apostates. We are not, we just don't agree and want our freedom."

    I do agree with her 100% . To present " the facts "

    in another form it would diminish somehow "its WEIGHT "!

    Thanks for the great effort and publicity, and let us

    know of the results. Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    " One who has an accurate knowledge
    of God's Word will have no problem
    in refuting false religious ideas".

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Thanks waiting:

    This is what I am concerned about as well. I want to present the accurate facts only and don't want to give any JW any ammunition to fire back at us and lose any credibility in this issue. Experience has shown us before that JWs will totally pick up ONLY on an error or little slip-up of terminology, and totally ignore the rest of the facts.

    So Tom, as I mentioned before, I'd appreciate reading the news release and synopsis you have, to get some guidelines of accurate wording.

    With this being handled right, then even more JWs and the general public can be made aware of the true facts of this issue through the newspapers.

    I appreciate so much all the "legwork" people have already done on this. The spirit of comradary in exposing the WTS's hypocrsy is very evident. Thank you all.

  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    Hi, All,

    I'm not able to post much due to time constraints, so will probably do so not much more than once per day, usually at night. This is the synopsis that I gave the elder as mentioned in my original post on this thread. I'll post it first then answer your questions as best I can and then update you on the developments today afterwards.

    Here is the synopsis:

    36929 Row River Road
    Cottage Grove, Oregon 97424
    October 4, 2001

    (The elders name)
    Cottage Grove, Oregon 97424

    Hello, there.

    Two things have come up that are of such a nature that I wish to make sure that you are aware of them. I would not feel right if you were blind-sided by something that I’d withheld.

    The first involves a few loose ends from our previous communications. (I'm omitting this as it is of rather a private nature.)

    The second item involves Ciro Aulicino. It appears that he is at the very center of a firestorm that has come up in the past few weeks and is swiftly growing. You may know this already, but I figured it would be wise to mention it anyway.

    It has become known that the WTBTS is enrolled in the United Nations as a NGO (Non-Government Agency). It’s all over the bulletin boards that are frequented by the Witnesses and ex-Witnesses, and is swiftly being circulated far beyond, so much so that it appears the United Nations themselves are beginning to take a strong and alarmed interest in it.

    I’ll not try to repeat all of it, as I’ve only seen what’s happening on one site only and as that is about the size of a book already, I’ll restrict this to a brief thumbnail sketch of it. If you want more details (and there are plenty), the following Internet address will take you directly to it:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/help_smilies.asp?site=3

    The following are excerpts from the first post on the thread. It’s an exceptionally well written, though lengthy piece, posing the question: What is the Society doing in an association with the UN? In fact, the writer, one “MacHislopp” doesn’t even pose the question up front, but thoroughly establishes the facts of the case first.

    This is where he is quoting the UN’s own website verbatim:

    http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm)

    I’m putting his personal comments in italics.

    **to begin the question:

    “What is an NGO?

    “A non-governmental organization (NGO) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens' group which is organized on a local, national or international level. Task-oriented and driven by people with a common interest, NGOs perform a variety of services and humanitarian functions, bring citizens' concerns to Governments, monitor policies and encourage political participation at the community level. They provide analysis and expertise, serve as early warning mechanisms and help monitor and implement international agreements. Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, the environment or health. Their relationship with offices and agencies of the United Nations System differs depending on their goals, their venue and their mandate."

    Notice "…and encourage political participation at the community level "

    More about:

    "How do NGOs and DPI cooperate?

    “The Department of Public Information and NGOs cooperate regularly. NGOs associated with DPI disseminate information about the UN to their membership, thereby building knowledge of and support for the Organization at the grassroots level.”

    Notice: "...and support for the Organisation .." ( i.e. The United Nations, of course)

    If you think it's not enough…take a look:

    "In 1968, the Economic and Social Council, by Resolution 1297 (XLIV) of 27 May, called on DPI to associate NGOs, bearing in mind the letter and spirit of its Resolution 1296 (XLIV) of 23 May 1968, which stated that an NGO "...shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities".

    Again, "…shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations".

    So every NGO has taken that kind of responsibility.

    Furthermore , take a look at this:

    "What are the Criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI?"

    “Organizations eligible for association with DPI are those which:

    “Share the ideals of the UN Charter;

    “Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;

    “Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

    “Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and pamphlets; organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media."

    I do think that all these criteria are quite clear.

    To add more:


    "What are the responsibilities of NGOs associated with DPI?"

    “Since the founding days of the United Nations in San Francisco, NGOs have made valuable contributions to the international community by drawing attention to issues, suggesting ideas and programmes, disseminating information and mobilizing public opinion in support of the UN and its Specialized Agencies. Association with DPI constitutes a commitment to that effect. Associated NGOs are expected to devote a portion of their information programmes to promoting knowledge of the United Nations' principles and activities."

    I hope that you also notice: " …mobilizing public opinion in support of the UN and its Specializes Agencies.."!

    MacHislopp now shows an actual extract of the NGO membership as taken off the U. N.’s web site. There in big letters in the “W” section is “Watchtower Bible & Tract Society”. Many people have been calling the U.N. for more details. It’s been established that such a “partnership” (the U.N.’s word) would need to be requested by an organization and that such a “partnership” was requested by and granted to the WTBTS in 1991.

    Since then according to other portions of the U.N. site, at least one of the Society’s branches (India) has requested and received funds (Apparently I was mistaken here. When I went back and checked it later it looked like it was taken from an Indian newspaper.), so this should effectively rule out any possibility that one of the Society’s enemies enrolled their name in an attempt to embarrass the Organization. (If it checks out, the conclusion would be the same.)

    I might add that the express purpose for any organization receiving funds from the U.N. is to promote the purposes of the U.N.

    I think you are as well aware as I am as to the Society’s scathing attitude toward the U.N., so I won’t bother repeating the rest of his post. It consisted of a lengthy list of the Society’s quotes, citing chapter and verse for every one of them.

    He finishes by asking some very pointed questions.

    The last I checked, there were 20 pages of comments and further investigation on this one thread. I would guess that each page could contain the majority of the material in one 32 page Watchtower, though that is only an estimate. There were over 16,000 “hits” (times that people brought it up on the screen to read) on that thread, so you can judge for yourself whether or not it is being noticed. And that’s on only one Internet site!

    Now, here is the interesting part. These same quotes from the Society’s publication have been sent to the U.N. They have expressed deep concern, and are currently checking into it.

    The following should demonstrate just how much. It is a post on about page 13 or 14 posted by one “Hawkaw”, who has been enthusiastic in investigating this matter:

    “Hi Troubled and others,

    “I telephoned Ms. I. Oca at the UN's DPI (11:15am Oct 3, 2001). I have her at another telephone number today 1-212-963-8305.

    “Here is the latest.

    “She indicated that the "Critera" has likely changed since 1991. However, the two most important critera to the WTS - supporting and respecting UN charter and commitment to effective information programes about the UN - have not changed since 1991 and no matter what, they have to meet today's Criteria if they want to be an "associate" of the DPI. Also the WTS had to solicit the UN and not the other way around.

    “She also indicated that the application form may have changed slightly but was still about the same and the WTS had to include at least 4 references as is required today.

    “Finally she indicated that, the NGO in question, the Watchtower, is under a DPI/UN investigation as we speak. This is major news folks. This means the DPI had a meeting and now the UN has decided to investigate. (His bolding throughout.)

    “She indicated that the United Nations is reviewing the "NGO's" (Watchtower's) status. Since the NGO's status is under review, no further information (ie. the application form) will be given out at this time according to Ms. Oca.

    “This is what I expected but as she indicated to me they, the DPI will have to release something on the conclusion of their investigation. This would be huge and would help get it into the press.

    “The DPI is very concerned about this. I wonder if it is clicking in their heads that they were "snookered".

    “Once the investigation is completed the NGO/DPI office will report their findings on the UN's internet site according to Ms. Oca.

    “It looks like we had some affect folks. She also indicated that they have been inundated with information from a number of concerned people.

    “I say - send more stuff to the United Nations DPI if you have forgotten anything or if you have not sent it yet. Tallyman should send one of his scarey WT pictures - that one of the city getting smoked would be a hoot - picture is worth a thousand words.

    “By the sounds of this, this is a big time incident in their office.

    “I forgot to ask about the press involvement - rats.

    “Maybe you can ask about the press, "Troubled", seeing my long distance bill is through the roof.

    “Hawk

    “p.s. - anyone who Emailed the UNs DPI should have gotten an Email back saying they received your Email and are taking your Email into consideration with this NGO. That's code for we are investigating the occurrence.”

    The reason that Ciro Aulicino is involved is that he is listed in the U.N. records as the Society’s liaison to the U.N. This morning a U.N. official telephoned “Hawkaw” to let him know that the WTBTS just made a formal request to be removed from the U.N.’s role of NGO’s.

    It would appear to me that this is becoming such an embarrassment to the Society that about the only way out is to find a “scapegoat” somewhere. Ciro would seem to be the most likely candidate.

    The almost universal reaction across the board has been one of surprise and shock, even from the so-called “apostates”. There is some anger thrown in, though I really expect that to come later. Right now the silence coming from the Society is deafening. Some have called in to Brooklyn to try to find an explanation, only to find that the brothers answering the phones were flabbergasted when they drew the U.N. pages up on their own computers. The official line being given out right now is that “they are looking into it.”

    I don’t need to tell you what that looks like.

    There has got to be some rationale for the Society’s membership. I would be interested in it for my and my family’s sakes, as well as possibly posting it on the web site for the edification of all.

    Finally, according to my own sources, there is already some concern within the DPI about the NGO’s misapplication of funds. Part of that apparently stems from the “social workers” in Afghanistan being thrown in jail for preaching Christianity, and thereby throwing yet another problem in the U.N.’s lap. I think they will look at the Society’s activities under a microscope.

    I hope to hear from you soon.

    Tom Howell

    ----------------------------------

    I'll make a few more comments in a few minutes.

    LoneWolf

  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    Sorry for the double post.

    LoneWolf

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello LoneWolf,

    thanks for posting your synopsis:

    I can say thatit is an excellent work, you presented

    it in a very concise and logical form. I do appreciate

    it very much. Do you mind if I and maybe others would

    use it to " spread .." the information to a wider audience?

    And to make this " nice work " better known, could you

    post it on the main thread :" U.N., NGO's and the WTBS "?

    Thanks again for all your efforts in this subject,

    greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    " One who has an accurate knowledge
    of God's Word will have no problem
    in refuting false religious ideas".

  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    Now for some answers:

    Prisca ---

    I admire your freedom to be able to publish your real name. Hopefully one day I will have that freedom too.

    That touches a sore spot with me. When my own father, in his 80's, needs help and is afraid to ask me for fear of what the elders will do; when my wife is too afraid to deliver a get well card to the elder mentioned above when he falls and hurts himself; when you (and countless others) are afraid to speak openly for fear of these men --- that's the time to stand up and hit them head on. To have that level of fear in the organization that claims to serve the "loving God" --- that is truely an abomination.

    Any batch of pompous fools who would tolerate such a thing during their watch, let alone be the cause of it, are neither Christian nor holy. Well --- maybe holy. In both ends, that is. And the same stuff is coming out of both of them.

    The only effective antidote I've ever run across for bullies is to challenge them openly and defiantly, then shove their nonsense right down their throat. That's why I'm approaching matters in this way.

    Tanalyst --- You're entirely welcome. Feel free to use it.

    Had Enough --- Yeah, I've had enough too. Thank's for the encouragement.

    You've probably already seen the synopsis above, and I'll post another version of the news release below. Detective gets most of the credit for authorship, though.

    I agree about the hasty withdrawal. My impression on it was that they had a nasty choice to make: resign voluntarily, or get kicked out. Resigning voluntarily would probably be the lesser of the two evils. They could see the handwriting on the wall and tried to beat the UN to the punch. It appears from the wording on the DPI's letter though, that they were formally booted anyway, so it didn't work. It will be interesting to see in the next yearly DPI letter concerning new and removed NGO's just how it's worded.

    Detective ---

    Dang it!!! Here I go again, calling you Investigator. I must be getting old or something.

    That's funny about the Defiance, Ohio, bit. My folks lived there right after they got married, nearly 65 years ago.

    bluesapphire --- Wal, I got a call from Catholic Guy. You must be bashful or something?

    All kidding aside, that all sounds good. I like the analogy, and we'll sure try to get you those newspaper articles. More by email.

    dins --- Hope this helps. That's a rough row to hoe, and it takes both strength and patience.

    waiting --- And thank you too, for your warm welcome. One of the reasons I knocked off posting for a bit was the intrigue of the situation here. To be honest, it even getting more interesting as time goes on. Then again, my yellow jacket and hornet season was keeping me busy.

    Thanks for the tip. You're entirely right, and I'll double check future dispatches accordingly.

    MacHislopp --- You're entirely welcome. But heck, man, we can't let you have all the fun, now, can we? Hehehe!!

    As to new developments: I forgot when I first posted that the next day was Saturday. I wasn't able to contact the Religion editor in the Eugene (Oregon) Register-Guard, but I do know his name is Jeff Wright. The paper's main number is (541) 485-1234. The front desk will route you to him.

    I was able to contact one of the reporters at the Portland Oregonian. My original email to them was to the following three individuals: Jim Camin - (503) 294-5104; Sarah Henderson - (503) 221-8394; and Kathy Nokes - (503) 294-5078. These numbers go directly to their desks.

    I spoke to Kathy yesterday and Jim today (20th). Both were interested and very pleasant. I told Jim that the UN had removed the WTBTS from their listing of NGO's, but that there was a letter issued by the head of the DPI concerning both their involvement and departure. He also showed instant recognition when I mentioned the Guardian, and deep interest in them having already printed 3 articles about this situation. He asked me to email him some of the particulars. That is being done.

    That's about all I have for now. Hope it's enough.

    Hang in there.

    LoneWolf

  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    Dang!! Another double post. Must be my bifocals.

    LoneWolf

  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    'Lo, MacHislopp --- Sure, use it for whatever you need. And I'll be happy to post it over there.

    Here is the copy of the news release I sent out. Future contacts will reflect the new developments such as the name being removed from the list of NGO's, etc. Also, such matters will be cared for like mentioning the ones investigating and calling include both current and former members. Anyone wishing to use it, all or in part, are surely welcome.

    Again I must mention that all this is, is a modified form of Detective's original.

    For immediate release:
    Contact: Tom Howell
    (541) 946-1231
    [email protected]

    Controversial Religious Sect's association with United Nations withdrawn after former sect members blow the whistle.

    Former members of Jehovah's Witnesses recently made a scandalous discovery when they learned the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, also known as Jehovah's Witnesses, had affiliated itself with the United Nations by soliciting to become an associated Non-Governmental Organization (NGO). Former members flooded the United Nations and The Watchtower's headquarters in Brooklyn with phone calls, protesting that for years the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has issued scathing statements in its magazines and from the podium that malign the United Nations, dubbing it the "disgusting thing" and likening it to the "scarlet colored wild beast" of the bible. The Watchtower Organization seemingly bowed to pressure from former and current members alike by withdrawing its status earlier this week.

    While a seemingly harmless affiliation to most of us, the reckoning of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's quietly associating itself with the U.N. is the making of a substantial scandal for the controversial religious organization. Former members of Jehovah's Witnesses argued that the Watchtower Society has repeatedly painted a vile description of the United Nations and it's goals before an audience of about six million adherents. Recently, however, the United Nations received an unprecedented number of phone calls from outraged former members who stumbled upon the news that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, who made an art out of skewering the United Nations in it's publications, has been an affiliated NGO since 1991. That’s a far cry from standing apart from the "disgusting thing", as they have often described it.

    Why is this newsworthy?

    Stunned former members of Jehovah's Witnesses learned of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's association with the United Nations and initiated a grass roots effort to draw attention to the situation. That could prove enormously embarrassing to the United Nations and spark revolt among the rank and file members of the sect. This revelation could be highly detrimental to the credibility of Watchtower Bible and
    Tract Society in the eyes of both the United Nations and of the religious organization's millions of adherents. Former members allege that the sect misled the United Nations by petitioning to support and promote it's purposes while simultaneously maligning it before the Watchtower Society's millions of faithful believers as well as the general public.

    Most rank and file members had no knowledge of the Watchtower Society's affiliation with the United Nations, and, as they have been led to believe the United Nations represents the "Scarlet-colored wild beast" of the bible, they would be shocked to learn of this affiliation.

    This relationship between the two organizations was clearly fraudulent to both the rank and file and the United Nations Organization itself. In it’s original charter outlining the requirements for NGO’s to become “partners” (the UN’s word) with them, the UN clearly states that it is mandatory that all NGO’s are to support their goals. How the Watchtower Society managed to deceive the UN are some of the most audacious methods this writer has seen.

    Acquiring the status of an NGO entitles an organization world status, benefits, and privileges they could get in no other way. It appears that the Watchtower Organization partook of them freely.

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    To further investigate this unfolding controversy, you may contact me at the numbers above. The email address would be the most convenient, as my schedule is erratic.

    This situation is extremely well documented. Any detail that you wish clarified and/or verified is available.

    Additionally, you will find further information below to assist you in your research.
    For the United Nations:

    An address to send correspondence regarding an NGO:

    NGO Section
    Department of Public Information
    Room S-1070 L
    New York, NY 10017, USA
    Tel: (212) 963-6842
    Fax: (212) 963-6914

    A web site listing an NGO’s responsibilities:

    target=_newhttp://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm>

    A web site listing all NGO’s:
    target=_newhttp://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/ngodir/NGODirAlph/alphabet.htm>

    Feel free to make suggestions.

    LoneWolf
    Alias: Tom Howell

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    I have to agree with Waitings comments as well.

    The term "former Witnesses" sits poorly with active Witnesses and makes them instantly skeptical of the information that follows.

    It is entirely accurate to state simply that "Witnesses were shocked to learn...." This would cause active Witnesses to want to read what other Witnesses already know.

    Path

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