Is a JW "discount" legal?

by Open mind 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    A discount has to be challenged as to it's legality. Normally, no men challenge "ladies day" discounts.
    Virtually nobody will go against discounts for students or senior citizens. These are popular discounts
    that seem to fly against legal procedures, but a judge could side with the discount being valid.

    If the discount were advertised for military, it usually gets by, but more controversy is generated. Hardly
    anyone has a problem with firefighters, police, or teachers getting a discount.

    Imagine discounts for "legal" or "illegal" aliens. Imagine discounts for "pro- or anti- abortionists."
    Imagine discounts for Catholics or worse, non-Catholics. Imagine straight or gay discounts.

    Or just reverse the accepted discounts. "We give 10% off for all non-students or all non-senior citizens, and
    15% off for everyone who never served in the armed forces." "Women pay full charge, but men get in for half-price."
    "Reduced rates are only for those who are not teachers, police, or firefighters."

    JW discounts would have to be unadvertised. There's nothing wrong with giving your friends a break, but
    a court might frown on it if you advertised it as a way to generate more business.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I believe JWD had a discussion on restaurants offering a discount on Sunday to anyone
    who brought in a church flyer (as proof of church attendance that day).

    The catch would be to accept any religion's proof of attendance. It wouldn't have to be
    a Christian church flyer. You would have to accept Jews and Muslims and virtually any
    group that met that Sunday for the betterment of their members. Also, not everyone
    has a flyer. DC's have a printed schedule, but the average meeting at a Kingdom Hall
    does not, so would that highlighted Watchtower Magazine serve as proof? If you don't
    want the ACLU sniffing at your door, just be liberal in applying the discount if anyone
    says "What about us?"

    If a business openly gave a JW discount, that would be trouble. I would consider going
    and demanding my Catholic or Jewish discount from that establishment to test the
    legality (if I were a letigious person).

  • FlipThis
    FlipThis

    I don't see a problem with offering a particular religion discounts.

    Businesses do it all the time for large employers and such; why not a particular religion?

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Older, but shows how some people use the laws to make something out of a nice try by a business:

    Edited to add this:

    Equal Rights Law

    • Silverman v. Hagerstown Suns Baseball Club. MCHR Case No. 9804-0884 (1998).

      The Maryland Human Relations Commission found “probable cause” that the Hagerstown Suns violated the Maryland statute against religious discrimination by a baseball promotion known as “church bulletin” day in which the Suns allowed any family with a church bulletin to be admitted to the ballpark for a discount. The Hagerstown Suns, a professional minor league baseball team located in Hagerstown, Maryland, was a long standing client.

      The Hagerstown Suns appealed the “probable cause” determination to the Maryland Office of Administrative Hearings where, after a three-day trial, the administrative law judge ruled in favor of the Suns.

      This case received national publicity, including a profile in USA Today and national television coverage on the Fox Sports Channel. The complaining party, who complained that the Suns discriminated against non-believers, was represented by the ACLU as well as by the Maryland Commission on Human Relations.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Here's how it worked out in the end:

    Religious discrimination case

    The Hagerstown Suns are a baseball team in Maryland -- a Class A affiliate of the Toronto Blue Jays. The Suns held a "church bulletin night." Anyone carrying a church newsletter of bulletin were admitted to an 1998-APR-12 Easter Sunday game with a discount on the regular admission fee. Carl Silverman is a local agnostic. He told the ticket clerk that he was "not religious" and was informed that without a church newsletter, he would have to pay the full price of admission. Silverman successfully brought a complaint with the Maryland Commission on Human Relations, claiming that the Suns were a public accommodation. Although the Commission ruled in Silverman's favor, the Suns refused to settle the complaint out of court by paying a token fine and committing to ending the practice of church bulletin nights in the future. Suns General Manager David Blenckstone declared, "We have never required fans to have a religious affiliation to receive our special Sunday discount. We only ask that they provide a church bulletin."

    The Commission issued a Statement of Charges on 1999-MAR-3. Judge Brady of the Administrative Court heard arguments in the case during 1999-JUN and JUL. Supporting the Suns were two conservative Christian legal groups, the Rutherford Institute and the American Center for Law and Justice. The American Civil Liberties Association represented Silverman. The Suns expanded their "Faith based" discount programs; a portion of gate receipts were used to handle the team's legal costs. They have since added halos to the team uniforms.

    The judge ruled for the Suns. Her rationale was that Maryland's law prohibited practices that would "deny, refuse, or withhold from" anyone access to a public accommodation. In this instance, Silverman was not refused entry; he was merely charged extra because he was not religious. She also ruled that it was not "an impermissibly heavy burden" for an agnostic to obtain a church bulletin from somewhere in order to get the discount.

    There was a conflict in the testimony. Silverman had written down the names of the ticket sellers that he dealt with that night: Kim and Sarah. He was able to identify them at the trial. But a Sun employee, Rico, testified that he was the ticket seller who dealt with Silverman -- and that he had pulled out a spare church bulletin and had told Silverman that he would give him the discount anyway. Rico had held his silence earlier during press coverage of the event and during the investigation by the Commission.

    The decision was expected to be appealed. However a settlement was reached through negotiations. The Suns agreed to stop the special "church bulletin" promotion and replace it with a "Sunday Family Bulletin Day." Anyone bringing any publication from "any church, house of worship, civic or nonprofit" group will be admitted at a discount. An attorney for the plaintiff, Michael Berman, saod: "We consider this a total victory for our position. The Suns have agreed to discontinue the use of 'church bulletin' as the name for any and all promotions...Our position has always been that when a business opens its door to the public, under the public accommodation law that business has to open its door to everyone without discrimination on the basis of religion, race or gender," Berman declared. We believe we have achieved that objective." Dwight Sullivan, an attorney for the ACLU Maryland Office said: "The agreement we've got now is important, especially since the use of the word 'church' suggests a limitation to Christians. So, the description will no longer exclude minority religions, and equally important it doesn't discriminate against atheists or agnostics since it's no longer restricted to religious bulletins."

    See, quite a can of worms to open by offering a discount to a select group. Make sure the other groups aren't offended.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    Not trying to shoot anything down, just posing a question.

    How would it differ from offering employees of the larger employers in town a discount? Like giving Microsoft employees a discount in Redmond or Nike employees a discount in Beaverton?

  • tula
    tula

    One jw run business I know of will give discount if you show your blood card.

    My (hairdresser, dental assistant, insert profession here) referred me to another (business professional). Upon arrival when I gave name of referral they ASKED if I was a JW just because I was referred by one. I said "why do you ask" and they said oh, we give 20% disc. to pioneers.

  • tula
    tula

    oops. I meant your NO blood card.

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