JW Memorials Should Have Ceased Because of the 1914 Doctrine.

by OnTheWayOut 16 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Inspired by a person who calls herself 2Proud2BeMe on Youtube, in
    her part 2 on the Memorial, I realized the following:

    JW's criticize Christian religions for celebrating the birth of Christ (Christmas).
    One of the reasons they use is:
    Jesus Christ is no longer a baby. People need to recognize that Jesus
    grew to manhood, then sacrificed his life for all mankind, and is now King
    in the Heavens.

    Yet, JW's continue to celebrate the death of Jesus Christ, that sacrifice, even though
    the following are true (according to JW doctrine):
    Christ is no longer dead, but has been raised to Spirit life to present his sacrifice.
    Christ is no longer awaiting his throne, but has been made King in 1914.
    Christ is no longer gone from the earth. He returned invisibly in 1914.

    The NWT says at 1 Corinthians 11:26:
    "For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the
    death of the Lord, until he arrives."

    The cross reference after the word "arrive" in the NWT leads to 1 Thesslonians 4:17.
    Reading vs. 17 alone could lead a JW to think that this arrival means the beginning
    of the big "A" but not if one reads 1 Thess. 4:15-17:
    "(15) For this is what we tell you by Jehovah's word, that we the living who survive
    to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep
    [in death]; (16) because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a
    commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet, and those
    who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. (17) Afterward we the living who
    are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord
    in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.

    Okay, JW doctrine has been rewritten since they introduced this version of the scripture,
    but I read that the Lord arrives when it is time to collect the dead anointed. That means
    1914. The cross reference scripture starts with the word "Afterward" because that time
    is after the Lord arrives.

    SO- once they said the Lord arrived in 1914 (granted it was way after 1914), they should
    have ended the Memorial. Just as Christendom should stop celebrating the birth of the
    saviour because his birth is no longer the significant thing, Jehovah's Witnesses should
    stop celebrating the death of the saviour because his death is no longer the significant
    thing. They could still meet on Nisan 14 (or whenever) but the passing of bread and wine
    should cease. Perhaps they could meet on October 1 (the day they seem to think is
    closer to the events of everything in the Bible including Christ's invisible presence) to
    celebrate the anniversary of Christ's enthronement and invisible presence. That way,
    JW's would yearly be reminded of the number of years into "this generation" that have
    passed without Armageddon's imminent arrival.

    Taking comments from you now on this "new light." (Well, to me, anyway.)

  • changeling
    changeling

    To them he has "arrived". How right you are!

    changeling

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Without getting too graphic Jesus is portrayed as coming multiple times in WT literature.

    He comes in Kingdom power, and he comes again to execute God's judgment on all non-Watchtower-loving humanity. His endurance / persistence in coming so often is quite remarkable.

    So once Armageddon comes and we're all bird food, then they'll stop calculating the date of the first full moon over Jerusalem after the spring equinox and stop going to those worldly stores to buy the wine for the annual pass-the-glass ceremony.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Jesus is portrayed as coming multiple times in WT literature.

    But that just adds to the necessity to do doctrinal gymnastics. The average dub can
    think about Jesus' coming to mean his arrival in Kingdom power yet in the future, true.
    But perhaps it should be pointed out that this is not totally consistent with the scriptures.

    I truly do not believe that this will wake up any faithful dubs. I just hope it helps any of
    those that are looking for the straws to add to the camel's back.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    I love that phrase "doctrinal gymnastics" !!

    I believe that's a required course in the curriculum of JW's.

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07

    This is more of a 'back to top' kinda post; I just wanted to say I think you have a point there.

    Perhaps someone who's still active should give their view on it, like Martian.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    So maybe I will use this excuse at the 2008 Memorial.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Memorial invitations are coming out soon, so I brought this thread to the top.

  • oompa
    oompa
    otwo: They could still meet on Nisan 14 (or whenever) but the passing of bread and wine

    should cease.

    i dont think so....the "after" part still means some anointed are here and have not flown yet....so they are supposed to keep eating and drinking jesus...........oompa

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Oompa, we are all welcome to our opinion of their [obviously wrong] doctrine.
    But let me preach to you for a moment. 1Thes. 4:17 is only a cross reference
    to the point being made at 1Cor. 11:26. It is referenced after the words, "until
    he arrives." It is my claim that skipping vs. 15, 16 is intentional to fit doctrine
    that the arrival is when all the anointed are called to heaven.

    If the scripture at 1Thes. 4:15-17 indicates that the presence of the lord is when
    the dead in union with Christ rise up, when does WTS teach that that happened?
    The Lord arrives when it is time to collect the dead anointed- 1914.

    It is not about the anointed meeting him in the air or in heaven. 1Cor. 11:26 is
    saying "until HE arrives." It seems clear that HE is Jesus and his arrival would be
    to EARTH. When is that? What is supposed to happen when it happened or happens?

    I know your point is that the rest did not meet Jesus yet. But his spirit or guidance
    is supposed to be upon them, so they should have "spiritually" met him when they
    were given "the calling" to the anointment.

    Another part of my point is that we can make the Bible say anything. I can prove
    that the Memorial should end. If the GB ever felt that way (by a 2/3rds majority), they
    would put out an article in the WT that says how the Lord arrived in 1914, so the
    Memorial is done.

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