Why is god so angry?

by keyser soze 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  tula

  When you have a puupy, the most early training is through fear. You swat the newspaper. You yell "NO''. The first few months you must use drastic noisy maneuvers to get his attention and enforce discipline. Thereafter, once he gets the message and learns a few basic disciplines, you begin to reward with a little affection. As time goes on the affection becomes most important and any discipline that needs to be enforced is done by withholding affection or reward for a short time.

  Sort of the same with a small child. You have to get their attention fast when they may be about to make a dangerous move. You yell, you startle with a spank, etc. Children are basicially curious and selfish. It is not until they develop further that they have a conscience and can understand love. You have to instill conscience in them when they are young.

  So, suppose evolution is true? Perhaps when man was still in his somewhat neanderthal brain, the only influence he understood was fear. The old testament seems to be all about fear. The God of fear. But perhaps as mans brain and conscience became more developed, he was able to grasp the disciplines of love. New Testament is all about love.

  So its not so much that God is angry. He maybe just used what works on neanderthal man. Maybe that, too, was only supposed to be for a time and season. Until man had developed more socially.
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  educ8self

  That's a very reasonable view, although God or any kind of spirituality does not necessarily enter into such a developmental perspective. Some might say conscience is not learned, although you'd still need to learn that it's there so it's kind of semantics. But there is a significant difference between a learned, socially acceptable standard of behavior and a natural faculty that may be covered up by a lot of learning. The same is true with psychology, I'm afraid sometimes people may be so absorbed by feel-good ways of thinking about themselves that they construct a false psyche, when there is an actual, natural structure they are born with that is perfectly fine and has the potential to grow - but they think it needs to be replaced by something "better." It is certainly understandable if people didn't have a good childhood, but you kind of end up confusing the early learning with the original mind you're born with.
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  Awakened07

  Sort of the same with a small child. You have to get their attention fast when they may be about to make a dangerous move. You yell, you startle with a spank, etc. Children are basicially curious and selfish. It is not until they develop further that they have a conscience and can understand love. You have to instill conscience in them when they are young.

  Mankind from the start until now can not be compared to a puppy or a child that needs discipline the first few years. At least not in this context. If so, then we have a family where the father doesn't discipline his children, but kills them off one by one as they transgress against his will. That may "help" keep the others in line, but what about those he killed?

  "I rested on Sunday - so you kids are gonna rest on Sundays too. No, it's not a suggestion I make for your benefit - if you don't rest on a Sunday, I'll KILL YOU!!!"

  So its not so much that God is angry. He maybe just used what works on neanderthal man. Maybe that, too, was only supposed to be for a time and season. Until man had developed more socially.

  So basically, Moses and the Israelites and the Egyptians (and all other people at the time) were Neanderthals?

  Well - that gels with what the WBTS says in their 'Creator' book, when they first say we shouldn't be worried that the creation account in Genesis doesn't go into detail, and that the reason for that was that Moses wrote in a way that "people of his day" could understand... Talking snakes? Yup - they could understand it. Angels taking human form and having sex with women? Yup - they could understand it. An account explaining their origin, the universe, microbial life (to explain sickness etc.) in a way that would be in accordance with science of today? Nope - they wouldn't have been able to understand that. They had to be explained it in a way that they - "people of their time" could understand. Which would imply they were less intelligent than us, wouldn't it?

  Now why would that be, if mankind was created directly by God only a few centuries earlier? Why can a child today learn stuff that they couldn't back then because they were "only people of their day"? After all, Adam and Eve were taught directly by God, and it's reasonable to believe that God also gave them language, both oral and written (if we're following the Bible's history), and so mankind being equally as intelligent as we are today, should not have had any problems learning the 'details' about our universe - - they would have received the information directly from God, like a child (or an adult) today receive detailed info from a human teacher and/or books.
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  eclipse

  anger is a LEARNED response to pain, mostly...so what does that tell you about an all knowing all powerful god that no one can harm?

  Exactly, but even 'god' admits that he can be hurt and feel regret.

  That just proves that it is humans who humanized god.

  If god were real he would be above being manipulated by his emotions, and allowing his emotions to RULE his behavior!

  or have emotions in the first place.
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  nicolaou

  I met god once. Nice guy, good looking too but there was something about him. You know how when you're at a party and you strike up a conversation with someone you don't know? God is that person, at least he is when all you want to do is get aware from the slightly boring and socially awkward chap.

  There was nothing seriously wrong with him in the beginning but for a gajillion years he was never invited to parties and his phone never rang. He didn't get text messages and his inbox just wanted him to buy cialis tablets.

  That's when he decided to create some friends (well he is god after all). He started with Adam and Lilleth but Adam complained that she wouldn't . . . you know. So god tried again and made Eve. But even these friends turned their backs on him.

  That's when he got really pissed.
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  Deputy Dog

  Why is man so evil?
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  educ8self

  Why is man so evil?

  You might want to start a separate thread on that, but off the top of my head I'd say it has something to do with being drunk with power - to the extent that you have no life other than accumulating power, your whole identity and existence is focused on gaining it and of course it means taking it from others by whatever means necessary. That's the extreme of course, a lot of people probably just kind of buy into that and serve others with that outlook knowingly or unknowingly, because they see it as the only way to go. In spite of this undercurrent I guess one thing I appreciate about the people on this forum is even if someone has become cynical, it's clear to me they are not like that.
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  zack

  While constipation may lead to irratibility, I'm with the "men made this stuff up." Men who wanted to control others and used fear to do it.
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  Rabbit

  God needs to get laid.

  But: He doesn't like women, gays or masturbation.

  Hell, he doesn't even have a penis to play with !

  His son, the reasonable one, steps in. He says "Father, don't do anything rash. Let me go down and try to reason with them." And so he does. And just when you think all is well again, just when you think the old man has mellowed in his old age: we get Revelation.

  So what is this guy's problem? Why is he so pissed off? Was it because he didn't have a father? A tumultuous childhood? Too much violence on TV?

  Why has Jebus 'changed' ? That nice guy has spent 2,000 years with a vewwy, vewwy angwy father in heaven. When he comes back he'll lead the army that slaughters billions of mommies, daddies & babies.

  It's true..."bad associations spoil useful habits." (sorry, I couldn't help it)

  Rabbit