Allah was the moon god? Great read

by MadTiger 14 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  MadTiger

  Allah, the Moon God?
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  hibiscusfire

  Yes. I read about this a long time ago. It is true. Muslims follow a pagan religion and they don't even know it.

  They too have been lied to.

  hibiscusfire
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  hibiscusfire

  If you trace the origin of Allah you will find that it does not lead back to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Islam claims. It goes back to an ancient, pagan Arabian moon idol. And even today that is what Islam use to guide them .....the moon.

  hibiscusfire
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  Merry Magdalene

  No. Allah, "the God", was not and is not a moon god in Islam, regardless of ancient Arab pagan belief. Calling an aspect of Allah's creation "Allah" does not make it so, and this was part of the message of Muhammad to the pagan Arabs. Allah, "the God," as Creator is unique and seperate from creation. That Muhammad and Muslims did not and do not worship a moon god is abundantly clear in the Qur'an.

  Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve. --Qur'an 41:37

  ~Merry
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  stillajwexelder

  but Merry you do accept that perambulating the black stone (meteorite) in Mecca is of Pagan Origin?
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  Merry Magdalene

  but Merry you do accept that perambulating the black stone (meteorite) in Mecca is of Pagan Origin?

  No. I accept that the Ka'aba was first built by prophet Adam a.s. and then rebuilt by prophet Ibrahim a.s. and his son Ismail a.s., and they set into it the black stone which had been brought to them by an angel from heaven.

  As all nations are said to have received guidance through messengers from Allah s.w.t., and either rejected these outright or accepted them, with many aspects of the accepted revelations eventually being lost or corrupted, it makes sense to me that the Arab pagans that predated Muhammad s.a.w.s. may have retained some ritualized elements of earlier revelation. Through Muhammad s.a.w.s., Allah s.w.t. corrected their errors.

  ~Merry
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  ajwnm

  Ahhhhhhhhhh, the lengths that the human mind will go to to deny the obvious to protect their own gods and its followers. Seems that the WTB&TS has a lot in common with the Muslims and are as adept at mental gymnastics as our Islamic friends.

  Peace.
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  ajwnm

  http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/Gilchrist/temple.htm

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  Thirdly, secular history in no way supports the Qur'an's claim that the Ka'aba was ever a place of monotheistic, non-idolatrous worship. The first mention of the Ka'aba is found in the writings of Diodorus Siculus who, about 60 BC, described it as a "temple greatly revered by the Arabs". Accordingly the Ka'aba dates back at least to before the time of Christ. But this fact only helps to support the final conclusion we shall draw in this chapter. It certainly does not in any way suggest that the Ka'aba existed before the Jewish Temple. On the contrary, before the time of Muhammad, the Ka'aba was only known as the principal shrine of pagan idolatry of the Arab world in and around Mecca.
  We do have clear evidence, however, that the Ka'aba is not of monotheistic origin. We refer to the black stone built into its east corner known as al-hajarul-aswad. Before Muhammad's time the Arabs worshiped stones and the black stone was one of these objects of worship. Not only was the kissing of this stone incorporated into Islam, but the whole form of the Hajj Pilgrimage today is fundamentally that of the Arabs before Islam. Muhammad only changed the meaning of the formalities - he made no attempt to change the forms and rites of the pilgrimage themselves.
  Some have suggested that stone-worship among the Arabs arose out of veneration of the black stone, but this is highly improbable. Any form of veneration of a dead stone - especially to the extent of bowing down and kissing the stone - can only be identified with pagan idolatry rather than pure monotheistic worship. Even Umar was reluctant to imitate the pagan Arabs by kissing the stone and only did so because he saw Muhammad do it. But in our view Muhammad likewise was only perpetuating one of the forms of Meccan idolatry and we cannot possibly see how veneration of a form of idol-worship can be reconciled with the worship of the one true God.
  Secular history knows of only one form of pre-Islamic veneration of the Ka'aba and that is the idolatry of the pagan Arabs. There is no corroborative evidence whatsoever for the Qur'an's claim that the Ka'aba was initially a house of monotheistic worship. Instead there certainly is evidence as far back as history can trace the origins and worship of the Ka'aba that it was thoroughly pagan and idolatrous in content and emphasis. Certainly in the six hundred-odd years between the destruction of the Temple and the final conquest of Mecca the Ka'aba was purely a shrine of thriving pagan idolatry. Therefore the Ka'aba cannot have become the form and place of true worship in God's providence when the Temple of the Jews was destroyed.

  http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/index.php/IslamsPaganRites

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  STONE WORSHIP, THE KA'ABA, AND PILGRIMAGE
  The Ka'aba was the sanctuary in Mecca where the different pre-Islamic deities were worshiped.Among the images of the various gods and goddesses, the image of Allah was preserved alongside those of the female deities mentioned above. The sanctuary of Mecca, like any other house of god among the Semitic peoples (e.g., Beth-el), was in a rectangular shape and for this reason the Arabs called it Ka'aba, which is an Arabic word meaning "cube." Some scholars maintain that the word means house and they have suggested that it comes from an Ethiopic word meaning double or two-storied building." But this does not seem to be correct, as the Arabic meaning of Ka'aba very clearly signifies rectangular.

  The different idols were placed either around the rectangular structure in the open air or inside a niche (qibla) under the vault. It is believed by some circles that the rectangular structure was probably constructed after the shape of the typical nomad's tents. The Ka'aba dates back to the second century c.E.; thus, contrary to the text of the Koran and Muslim exegetes, it could not have been made by Abraham. The Old Testament makes no mention of the patriarch traveling to Arabia, much less building a sanctuary in Mecca! More importantly, there is no chronological or archeological evidence to prove that Mecca is older than the first century C.E., and Abraham, if he really existed, probably lived around 1800 B.C.E. The story was apparently fabricated by Muhammad himself to attract the attention of Jewish Arabs in the early days of his mission to win converts.

  In the pre-Islamic period stones, especially soft and cube-shaped ones, were often considered sacred by desert Arabs and were venerated as the residences of gods. Nomads living in cube-shaped tents themselves probably thought the gods, too, would have similar abodes but of stone.
  Among the many places of worship in Arabia, the Ka'aba was respected more than other sanctuaries because it held the Black Stone, which the pre-Islamic Arabs believed was given to them by the deities of the skies to be worshiped. The Black Stone is thought to consist of hardened lava, or basalt, but it is not easy to determine its real nature as it has been touched and kissed rapturously by millions of people since it was placed in the structure. It may have a meteoric origin. Islam has thus perpetuated the ancient pagan rite of stone worshiping by ordaining the pilgrimage to the Ka'aba as the fifth pillar of the religion.
  Another practice in this festival was the ceremonial abstinences. The pilgrims would stay away from profanity, irreverence, and sexual intercourse, since each of these practices is prohibited in the presence of the gods of the pantheon.

  The most diverse pagan tribes of the Arabian Peninsula would take part in the festivities of the pilgrimage. Since the performing of ceremonies was possible only when there was peace in the land, and as the Arabs were constantly fighting one another, the carrying of arms in Mecca during the pilgrimage was forbidden.
  All of these ancient pagan rites survive in Islam today. Each year Muslims from all over the world make pilgrimages to Mecca during the Arabian month of Dhu- Hajja, and they perform the same rituals that prevailed several centuries before Islam.

  There are many websites with info on the "holy" stone worshipped by Muslims. Just google and you will get info.
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  greendawn

  Whatever the case Mohammed the prophet of the Moslems and initiator of their religion did not receive all his info from an angel but rather from the judeo christians whom he then accused of corrupting the scriptures they had received hence the need for him to come and put things right.
  
  In fact he was the one corrupting the things written in the old and new testaments. And he did introduce into Islam certain elements from pre islamic arab religion such as the Kaaba legend, probably to attract converts.
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  hibiscusfire

  Merry: No. Allah, "the God", was not and is not a moon god in Islam, regardless of ancient Arab pagan belief. Calling an aspect of Allah's creation "Allah" does not make it so, and this was part of the message of Muhammad to the pagan Arabs. Allah, "the God," as Creator is unique and seperate from creation. That Muhammad and Muslims did not and do not worship a moon god is abundantly clear in the Qur'an.

  Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve. --Qur'an 41:37

  Ugh this makes me sick! Muhammad was not even God's prophet. The man tried to commit suicide. He had 2 obvious weaknesses. Who would really want to listen to Muhammed? One of his wives was 8 years old !!!! Also Allah is not the God of the Bible. It is true when you say Allah was unique and separate from creation. The biblical concept of God loving the sinner, is foreign to Muslim thinking. To them, Allah is "compassionate" and "merciful," but only to those who obey him. hibiscusfire