Do Muslems and Christains have the same God? (page 5)

steve2

Honestly, what would you do right now?

HBF, an excellent question!

For starters, I wouldn't lump everyone - man, woman and child - into the same category and wipe them out because they happened to be living in the same geographical area (compare that with what happened in the Old Testament or Hebrew Scriptures).
Secondly, I'd realise that often so-called "wicked" people simply repeat the same errors they inocently learnt in childhood from their parents, and, if given half a chance to learn more about effective behavior, would do so.
Thirdly, I wouldn't judge people on appearances. For example, angry people may actually have good reason to be angry, as can be seen in victims of crime feeling violated and angry about their attackers.
Lastly, given the dreadful conditions that people are often born into, I'd realise that people are often doing the best they know how to do. Yes, there are despicable acts being carried out by people with despicable attitudes. Nonetheless,there are also so many people who are doing their best to lead upright, principled lives who - and this is the main point - may worship a different god than the one you worship or not believe in any god at all.That doesn't make them people worthy of being destroyed - although, from a strictly Biblical perspective, you might be able to argue that it does...but then we go full circle and we're back to the monsters who are better known by the names Allah and /or Jehovah.

hibiscusfire

johndoe: Serious law breakers are a relatively small segment of society.

These law breakers cause much hurt, pain and injustice to people. And they are not a small segment as you claim. Can you give figures?

All you can only say is that you would just sit back and have a good time drinking and having free sex and have a wild party with drugs ...you know "enjoy" yourself in such a sick way without even a care... while those who have lost much are suffering so much? People's hurt are a joke to you.

God is watching everyone of us. ...All our actions we would have to account for. You are not afraid of the judgement now but when it comes you will be afraid.

He would not let His people be hurting in this sinful world for long.

hibiscusfire

steve: That doesn't make them people worthy of being destroyed - although, from a strictly Biblical perspective, you might be able to argue that it does...

What about the bad people....the ones without any morals or virtues....what would you do? These people know that they should not do these horrible things but they still do. What would you do about them?

Keep trying to train them or disciplining someone who repeatedly do the wicked act over and over again? Tell me how you would feel if a member of your family was hurt badly or even murdered. Would you send the to a psychiatrist and tell them, "Hey man, that's ok, you had a hard life growing up...come into my house and we will work it out."

hmmmm? How would you feel and what would you do?

hibiscusfire

hibiscusfire

steve: That doesn't make them people worthy of being destroyed - although, from a strictly Biblical perspective, you might be able to argue that it does...

What about the bad people....the ones without any morals or virtues....what would you do? These people know that they should not do these horrible things but they still do. What would you do about them?

Keep trying to train them or disciplining someone who repeatedly do the wicked act over and over again? Tell me how you would feel if a member of your family was hurt badly or even murdered. Would you send the stinker to a psychiatrist and tell them, "Hey man, that's ok, you had a hard life growing up...come into my house and we will work it out."

hmmmm? How would you feel and what would you do?

hibiscusfire

funkyderek

hibiscusfire:

You will not understand like this because you are thinking out of the spirit.

And you won't understand this because, well, you don't seem capable of understanding anything that challenges your frankly rather backward belief system. But I'll keep trying anyway.

Marriage is indeed a sacred bond and the 2 become 1. Husband and wife work together to build their family and unite.

My problem was not with marriage but the weakness of your analogy. People who are married do not become one in any real sense. It's just a metaphor. If that's all your claiming for your god(s) then fine. But it seemed you were claiming that they were literally father and son (to each other) and at the same time the same entity. That is what I find absurd.

On the issue of whether the gods worshipped by Jews, Christians and Muslims are one and the same, the answer is always going to be yes and no. While it is clear that they all began life as the god of the Jews, the perception of his nature has evolved over time in Judaism, and was changed significantly by the founders of both Christianity and Islam. The differences between the religions are essentially disagreements over the exact nature and history of one particular deity.

steve2

hmmmm? How would you feel and what would you do?

To your "hmmmm?" I say: Ummmmmmm: Most civilized countries have laws in place to punish human acts of violence, so NO I am not saying that "anything goes"; nor am I saying, "Let's forgive everyone". Okay, I've answered your question, please answer mine:

Why do you keep side-stepping the points I've raised about genocide in Scripture? You take the easy route by focussing on overtly evil behaviours that most of us would agree are desrving of punishment, but, so far, you have failed to comment on Jehovah's and Allah's long historial reputation for wiping out man, woman and child regardless of presumed innocence or otherwise.

John Doe

You are not afraid of the judgement now but when it comes you will be afraid.

You're right, I'm not afraid. Honest men never have any legitimate reason to fear being labeled bad or evil. Interesting that you know nothing about me, yet already have me being judged poorly in your mind. Can you justify this as a Christian?

LittleToe

Derek:
I essentially agree with your arguments with Hibiscus. That having been said I'd just like to point up the following two comments:

But it seemed you were claiming that they were literally father and son (to each other) and at the same time the same entity. That is what I find absurd.

I agree. That would be absurd and is currently titled Modalism. Most Christians don't believe this, however. They hold that Father and Son are distinct persons, not the same person. To put it in a physical frame of reference, its like saying that siamese twin are the same person because they share the same legs. Most people would acknowledge that they are distinct persons in their own right.

On the issue of whether the gods worshipped by Jews, Christians and Muslims are one and the same, the answer is always going to be yes and no. While it is clear that they all began life as the god of the Jews, the perception of his nature has evolved over time in Judaism, and was changed significantly by the founders of both Christianity and Islam.

Agreed.

The differences between the religions are essentially disagreements over the exact nature and history of one particular deity.

Also agreed, however in the context of the thread (a la - deity instructing adherents to kill people) the results are quite different.

Undecided

It would seem that God would be somewhat responsible for the failure of humanity to be a success. Is he really as powerful and wise as humans think? Didn't he create the devil or at least let him deceive man? Couldn't he figure out how to cure the problem rather than destroy the evidence?

I have to admit I don't know the answers of why some act of a pair of humans could screw up humanity so badly. If some are made angels does this solve the problem? They have screwed up as bad as humans, so the bible says.

If God is going to make a perfect world now, why didn't he do it in the beginning instead of all the killing and death he has instagated? I just don't understand his thinking? I've never seen two different religions agree so please show me how anyone knows who is right?

Ken P.

hibiscusfire

jgnat: Though I have faint hope that I will get reason out of this discussion, hibiscusfire, if the Muslims worship another god, how many gods do you think there are?

Yes the Muslims worship one of the many other pagan gods. They do not worship God the Almighty Creator.

There are many many false gods. I am sure you know about them. These gods when compared to the Alpha and the Omega are jokes. My God is a Spirit and He is alive. False gods are made of concrete, clay, ceramic.....and man made them. We have spirits can you see your spirit in the mirror? God is like a Great Powerful Light. ...so powerful you will just drop dead...that is why Jesus said,

John 14:6... "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Can you make a list of all the gods and compare what they are about and claimed to have done....compared to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (one Almighty God).

hibiscusfire

Do Muslems and Christains have the same God?

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