Trumpet blasts = Rutherford's talks? Not exactly. Were they ever?

by Open mind 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Open mind

  This week JWs are continuing on in the Revelation book with the angel's trumpet blasts of Rev. Chapter 8. This has truly been a blessing as it's helped me catch up on lost sleep. As a brain-turned-off dub I ALWAYS got the following impression with regard to the trumpet blasts:

  Trumpet blasts = Rutherford's talks given in the 1920's at some dinky little conventions of the Bible Students.

  Whenever we'd study this info I would always give myself a silent, mental, "Yah Right " .

  In carefully reading the information this week, I'm noticing that the wording isn't quite that clear. It says something to effect of: 'the blowing of the second trumpet no doubt RESULTED IN the stirring discourse given by Joe in Ohio in the 20's'.

  Has it always been this way? Or were the trumpet blasts ever claimed to be the actual talks or pamphlets released at the conventions?

  Either way it's still pretty ridiculous to think that God gave John a vision 2000 years ago and that the trumpet blasts that turn 1/3 of the sea to blood, etc. have their most observable fulfillment in some tiny JW conventions in the US in the 1920s.

  Just curious if this is another example of "new light" from the slip-n-slide masters. I was looking for a quote that would blatantly come out and say that one of the trumpet blasts was ACTUALLY one of Drunkaford's 1920's tirades. But it's not there.

  Open Mind
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  nvrgnbk

  It doesn't have to say it specifically, it's understood.

  The WT knows the power of suggestion.

  They f*cked me up pretty bad with their propaganda, drilled into my mind since I was in the womb.
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  Doubting Bro

  I use the old book (just to annoy everyone when I read) and the wording is the same. I was skipping head the other night and saw it. Even when I was a hard core JW, I always thought that was one of the more embarrassing teaching. That was before I learned about the leeches.
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  BFD

  I think if you read between the lines you'll understand that the trumpet blasts actually came out of Drunkaford's ass. It was a time before Beano.

  BFD
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  tula

  trumpet blasts that turn 1/3 of the sea to blood,

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  Hortensia

  "the blowing of the second trumpet no doubt RESULTED IN the stirring discourse given by Joe in Ohio in the 20's" - I love how they give themselves wiggle room rather than making simple declarative statements. Sort like being told the latest miracle supplement "may help" you lose weight. The small print says you have to go on a diet, too, and exercise. Marketers, they can twist everything.
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  JK666

  I think that Rutherford's trumpet blasts came out of the other end from his mouth!

  JK
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  JK666

  I should have read the other posts, BFD had the same idea!
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  aniron

  I remember doing that part of the study years ago.

  I used to think it funny that these "trumpets blasts" were talks given to about 6,000 people in Ohio.

  The the WT I believe had to pay the local papers to print the transcripts, because the papers didn't think it important.

  Whatever was in those talks by Rutherford, I wouldn't be surprised that they don't teach half of it anymore.
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  franzy

  what's the title of this latest revelation book?
  in 1963 they came out with "babylon the great has fallen, god's kingdom rules"
  methinks that if you can get scans from that book (surely some here still
  have it), that you will find wording in it that is more to your liking.
  "resulting" sounds a bit weak to me, also...a bit of watering down the
  language to take some of that fred franz pomposity out of it.
  
  i have few clear memories of the many scintillating hours i spent in my
  uncle's living room plodding thru the books of the sixties during the
  congo book study. but the application of the trumpet blasts to those
  talks at those conventions caused some major churning inside my head
  as a teenager....there's something special about that state of cognitive
  dissonance....word's forming in my mind "how can they apply that scripture
  that way?", while at the same time never consciously doubting that our
  "mother organization" was the source of accurate knowledge.
  
  i'm sure i never made a comment during any of those discussions. being
  the paragraph reader would have been hard enough.