Forced Blood Transfusion = Rape!

by Gill 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • ThomasCovenant
    ThomasCovenant

    I'm afraid I would want to point out to a witness who allowed their child to have a transfusion that according to their beliefs thay have just agreed to their child being raped.

    We all know that a lot of , if not most, younger brought up in it dubs would be more than happy to let the courts take the responsibility off their hands. At least then they could say to their peers

    ''Well we refused blood of course but what could we do against the courts."

    But the society have tried to address that blase attitude. 'No you would not allow your child to be raped so why allow your child to have a transfusion?'

    Why? Because most in the truth today don't give a monkeys for the society's hard line attitudes. They are in it for the social life. Good. Who can blame them?

    Thanks

    Thomas Covenant

  • Gill
    Gill

    ThomasCovenant - The point that you make is very important. There are case of course where JW pick up and go on the run with their child! This does not happen as much as it used to, but if they really believe that their child was about to be raped no right minded parents would NOT pick up and run with their child.

    So, this leaves us with the question, do JWS really believe that they are being raped when forced to have a blood transfusion and that their free will, body etc has been violated, or is this just a method of phraseology advised by the WTBTS to fend of the Judiciary from enforcing transfusions by causing the initial shock and abhorrence of accusing someone of such a loathesome crime. I suggest that in the case of the WTBTS they know full well how to control the mind and thinking processes and so use language to control! The accusation of 'Rape' is enough to stop anyone in their tracks!

    As you point out, JW parents want their child's life saved and only the most hard line and fanatical would think absolutely nothing of their child bleeding to death wheras they would all be horrified at any 'rape' of their child by anyone!

    To many JWs, the WTBTS is just a social club.....though sadly, not a very good one!

  • Scully
    Scully

    How is the JWs refusing blood transfusions for their children any different from Incas parents sacrificing their children to the volcano?

    This recent article is grim - it shows that there is evidence that children ("virgins") who were selected for sacrifice were groomed for up to a year in advance of the sacrifice - they were given special diets to fatten them up and introduced to alcohol and drugs that would have altered their perceptions and made them more compliant, according to studies done on hair samples of remains. How is that any different on an ethical level from the "grooming" a child of JW parents receives through his or her lifetime regarding the "sanctity of life and blood"?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2570682.ece

    From The Times October 2, 2007

    Incas fattened up their children before sacrifice on the volcano

    Mark Henderson, Science Editor

    Grim evidence of how the Incas “fattened up” children before sacrificing them to their gods has emerged from a new analysis of hair from two 500-year-old mummies preserved near the summit of a volcano.

    The remains of the 15-year-old girl known as the “Llullaillaco Maiden” and the seven-year-old “Llullaillaco Boy” revealed that their diets changed markedly in the 12 months up to their deaths, shedding new light on the rituals of the ancient Andean civilisation.

    The research, by a British-led team, suggests that the children were fed a ceremonial diet before being marched to a shrine 82ft (25 metres) from the top of the 22,110ft (6,739 metres) volcano Llullaillaco, where they were suffocated or left to die from exposure.

    Before being chosen as sacrificial victims, the boy and girl had followed a typical peasant diet. This raises the possibility that they were chosen from among the Incas’ conquered subjects and killed not only to pacify the mountain gods, but also to instil terror and respect for an imperial power. “It looks to us as though the children were led up to the summit shrine in the culmination of a year-long rite, drugged and then left to succumb to exposure,” said Timothy Taylor of the University of Bradford, one of the lead researchers.

    “Although some may wish to view these grim deaths within the context of indigenous belief systems, we should not forget that the Inca were imperialists too and the treatment of such peasant children may have served to instil fear and facilitate social control over remote mountain areas.”

    The two mummified bodies, along with a third belonging to a six-year-old girl, were discovered in 1999 on Llullaillaco, in northwestern Argentina, near the Chilean border.

    All are exquisitely preserved, though the younger girl’s body had been damaged by a lightning strike, giving her the nickname “Lightning Girl”. The Maiden of Llullaillaco or “La Doncella”, which is considered among the best preserved of all Andean mummies, has gone on public display recently for the first time, at the High Mountain Archaeological Museum in the nearby town of Salta.

    In the new research, Dr Taylor, his colleague Andrew Wilson and others have now examined hair taken from the Maiden and the Boy for isotopes of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen. Isotopes are atomic variants of particular elements, and their relative abundance in hair, can reveal detailed information about an individual’s diet and where he or she once lived.

    The study, which is published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shows that the children spent much of their lives eating a diet composed primarily of vegetables, such as potatoes, which indicates a peasant background.

    In the 12 months before their deaths, however, both children’s hair shows that they started to receive maize, which was considered a food of the elite, and animal protein, almost certainly from dried llama meat known as charki.

    “By examining hair samples from these unfortunate children, a chilling story has started to emerge of how the children were ‘fattened up’ for sacrifice,” Dr Wilson said.

    “Given the surprising change in their diets and the symbolic cutting of their hair, it appears that various events were staged in which the status of the children was raised. In effect, their countdown to sacrifice had begun some considerable time prior to death.”

    The hair isotopes show a further change in the children’s lifestyle about three to four months before they died, which suggests that is when they began their pilgrimage to the volcano, probably from the Inca capital, Cuzco.

    It is thought that the children were given maize beer or chicha and coca leaves, both to alleviate the symptoms of altitude sickness and to drug them into compliance with their fates. Byproducts of coca metabolism have been found in the hair of the children, with particularly high concentrations in the Maiden’s. As the oldest, she may have had more idea about what was about to happen to her.

    It is known that the Incas who conquered the indigenous tribes of the Andes chose the sons and daughters of local rulers and particularly attractive children for sacrifice. Some girls, known as acllas, were chosen at the age of around 4 and raised by priestesses. Some would be offered as wives to local nobles, others would become priestesses and others would later be sacrificed.

    The two girls appear to have been been left to die from exposure – at such a high altitude, it would not have taken long for children to die. Previous research, however, has shown that the Llullaillaco Boy was suffocated by having a textile wrap drawn so tightly around him that his ribs were crushed and his pelvis dislocated.

    Empire of the Sun

    — The Inca empire began in the Cuzco region of the highlands of Peru in the early 13th century

    — During the next two centuries the empire grew to dominate the Andes, including large parts of modern Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, northwest Argentina, northern Chile and southern Colombia

    — It survived until the 16th century, when the Spaniards arrived under Francisco Pizarro in 1532. The following year Atahualpa, the Inca Emperor, was murdered and Spanish rule established

    — Inca religion was centred on the Sun god Inti, but the empire tolerated the many local gods or huacas venerated by subjects

    — Though not as bloodthirsty as the Aztecs of Mexico, the Incas indulged in human sacrifice, particularly of children, in a ceremony known as capacocha

    Source: Times database

    © Copyright 2007 Times Newspapers Ltd.

  • Gill
    Gill

    Scully - Good example!

    Looking at the quotes given by ThomasCovenant, especially of the Kingdom Ministrys where JWs are 'groomed' as to what to teach their children to say in a situation where they have to explain 'their own' opinion to a Judge or lawyer, the grooming process or preparation for the abusive situation does bear some comparison!

  • ThomasCovenant
    ThomasCovenant

    How many times has 'Bones' McCoy given his injection to pacify an out of control member of Star Trek. Is that rape?

  • Scully
    Scully

    I think this aspect of "grooming" children of JW parents to comply with JW tenets is an important one.

    Children inherently trust that the judgement of their parents is in their best interests. When they are very young, they don't even have the capacity to understand that not everyone believes as their family does. The sheltered existence of the JWs allows for this very subtle "grooming" to occur over the course of the child's life.

    We know that abusers and con artists use similar techniques to "groom" their targets with the aim of achieving their own goals, even if those goals are not in the best interests of the targeted individuals. They are usually nice, generous, loving, kind, which fosters the development of trust. They are patient and wait for the right moment to strike. Whether the "groomer" is a con artist, an abusive husband, or a child molester, the most successful of these individuals are the ones who are able to convince their targets to voluntarily acquiesce to their wishes. What woman would agree to marry a man who, upon meeting her for the first time, punches her in the face? No, the abuser courts his intended victim, gets her to fall in love with him, and only when she is fully invested in the relationship does the abuse begin.

    This is exactly the same thing that happens within the JWs. There is a "courtship" with promises of You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth™, love-bombing by The Happiest People On Earth™, and so on that goes on over time - and as time goes on, the emotional investment increases to the point where it is difficult to extract oneself. In the meantime, ties to other people and beliefs are cut - beginning when JWs introduce the thought that "God's name is Jehovah and if your church didn't tell you that, then they lied to you." The JWs are leading their recruits down the garden path with lovely promises and gentle persuasion, and whenever the desire to turn back arises, it is shattered with another blow to the trust the recruit had in their family members or friends or beliefs they once held. Then, once the commitment is made, in baptism, the abuse begins. The pressure mounts to do more, do more, it's never enough, if you aren't living, breathing, eating and drinking JWism, there's this subtle message that you aren't Living Up To Your Dedication™. The more you sacrifice, the more spiritual you are supposed to be. What bigger sacrifice could there be than for a parent to willingly offer up the life of their child?

  • Gill
    Gill

    Scully - That point is Profound!

    The Watchtower demands sacrifice in everything, even up to the point of the sacrifice of children......if the law allowed it!

    What is difficult is to make people understand that Jehovah's Witnesses are under such mind control and are manipulated to such an extent that even the best of them, against their own better nature, would actually allow their child to die rather than accept a treatment that offers the hope and opportunity of saving or even extending the child's life.

    Who would say 'No' to such a treatment except someone who was no longer able to use their own rational thinking processes because they had been usurped by the fear engendered by a manipulative mind control cult!

  • Gill
    Gill

    ThomasCovenant - That is a good point! is it rape to pull a potential suicide victim out of the way of a train or truck?

    Is it rape to drag anyone out of harms way or restrain someone behaving irrationally for whatever reason that might harm themselves or others?

    The word 'rape' is definitely used to shock and deter action.

  • ThomasCovenant
    ThomasCovenant

    Scully said

    ''The more you sacrifice, the more spiritual you are supposed to be. What bigger sacrifice could there be than for a parent to willingly offer up the life of their child?''

    I think that is a consolation of sorts to those who suffer the ultimate sacrifice in JW land. However I think they are mistaken if they think they will get any more respect from their fellow 'brothers' and 'sisters'.

    About 2-3 years ago in this locale a young mother died during childbirth with loss of blood a contributory factor shall we say. This mother had been brought up in the 'truth' but left it as an older teenager and eventually married a 'worldly person' , ie one of the 99.9% of non JW's. Her mother and older brother were and are still in.

    From what I can gather she died refusing blood. Even though she was no longer a witness. Did she still think as many seem to 'yes it's the truth, I'm just not good enough. I can't let down my family. I'll refuse blood'? I don't know.

    What I do know is that very few local witnesses attended the funeral (not held at the KH) and next to none attended the wake which was held in a local working mens club as per the wishes of the husband. She had stopped attending meetings a couple of years before and I suppose was deemed as 'not of our sort'. Even though she had possibly given the utmost sacrifice. It didn't count.

    What the mother must have been thinking and probably still feels today realizing that her daughter had died very possibly because of no blood transfusion and the fact that there was very little if any support from the local congregation baffles me. When I think about it I try not to get too upset for her and angry at the flippant way lives are dealt with.

    Thanks

    Thomas Covenant

  • Gill
    Gill

    ThomasCovenant - JWs pay very little attention to those who have died from this doctrine and those who have suffered from it. They 'avoid the spectre of potentially being painted as 'martyrs'.

    I asked my parents about why, when I had my last child and nearly died from blood loss (2.5 litres) they didn't come to visit me or help me when I came home and why no JWs ever helped but just kept ringing and harrassing me about when I was going to go back to meetings, and they explained that not having a blood transfusion meant that 'you get better quicker' and that if I had died 'I would have been doing so from my own choice! What did I want, a medal for not accepting a blood transfusion?!'

    The blood issue only counts in Watchtower land if you choose to accept blood and save your own or your loved ones life! If you do that, they will use the full force of their kangaroo courts to punish you and enforce the living death of Disfellowshipping! Other than that, you are only doing what you are supposed to do' and who cares about the consequences!

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