Jesus came in 1914 and NOBODY noticed til when??? (page 2)

OnTheWayOut

You must get the book 'Captives of Concept' by Don Cameron (hope that is spelled correctly)

You can go to Lulu.com and download it right now for five bucks, then refer to it on your computer.

"Captives" says in chapter 3 that the Proclaimers book has all the explanation you need about the
printed truth of the matter. As far as talks or otherwise, if it isn't verified in print, then it isn't necessarily
so.

Proclaimers, p. 46-47 says that "Nelson Barbour succeeded in convincing Charles Taze Russell that
Christ's invisible presence had begun in 1874.

Proclaimers, p. 133 mentions this again along with a footnote explaining that "a clearer understanding
of Biblical chronology" was published in 1943 in The Truth Shall Make You Free then refined the next
year in The Kingdom Is at Hand.

The Proclaimers book, p. 133-134 even admits this: "Attention was later drawn to this [belief that Christ's
invisible presence had begun in 1874] by the subtitle "Herald of Christ's Presence," which appeared on the
corner of Zion's Watch Tower.

The WTS figured if they printed all their own mistakes honestly, but spread them all around the huge
Proclaimers book, opponents could not say they were dishonest.

AnnOMaly

What are you saying it was in talks etc.... but not in print to make it official til 43?????......oompa

What jwfacts said. The movement to reinterpret 1914 was evident way before 1943. The famous 'advertise, advertise, advertise' speech in 1922 made clear the belief was that while Jesus had been present since 1874, he had taken up his rulership in 1914. After all, 1914 was supposed to have been the start of the millennium - it didn't happen in the 'physical way' it was expected to, so was spiritualized (with an 'anytime soon' physical fulfillment). Eventually 1914 began all the heavenly milestones - presence and Messianic kingship, subsequent Judgment of God's earthly household, the sheep and goats, etc. with the Bible number-crunching to match.

Gopher

It was in the March 1, 1925 Watchtower article "Birth of a Nation" where they first published that the Kingdom was established in 1914, Christ had begun to rule on his heavenly throne, and Satan was hurled down.

Those views have continued to be taught by the WTS for 82 years since then.

http://www.607v587.com/Letter%20re%201874.htm

oompa

gopher you are the first to go back that far....thanks...oompa....but where the crap is OUTLAW???? he knows everything about everything.....I told him I wiped my arse three times and he said I only wiped it twice!!!

Gopher

Oompa - glad I can help (well not with the wiping information).

I find it curious that the WTS chose this title "Birth of a Nation" for its 1925 article that established the current 1914 doctrine.

"Birth of a Nation" was also a pro-KKK white supremacist movie of major stature put out ten years earlier, in 1915. Apparently they didn't think it was a big deal to use a title syonymous with racism and hatred. Obviously they had Jehovah's direction in choosing that title.

greendawn

The kingdom was supposed to get established visibly in 1914 and overthrow human governments and when that failed they said: "oh yes it was established but invisibly." That is a very convenient cop out to evade the embarassment of their false predictions, yet it's not what Russell was preaching for 35 years. Very fiddly.

oompa

gopher....never heard that nugget before....good one...oompa

yknot

1914 Parousia- 1925 ....I stand corrected I thought I remembered it to be 1933...lol my memory is going!

BTG-1919.......I am pretty sure....

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yknot

You know that is a hoot. Changing the parousia to 1914 in 1925 both being "Armageddon Years"

Imagine in 1975, after armageddon had yet to appear they had moved the parousia to 1925. I might not had been continued to be raised JW.

I sure hope they do not try again to predict another "great disappointment"

Gopher

Yknot, you're right about the fall of Babylon the Great.

Judge Rutherford (or whoever wrote the book "Light) changed that date from 1878 to 1919. That book came out in 1930.

Of course, that's old Light subject to change any time.

Jesus came in 1914 and NOBODY noticed til when???

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