Being Persecuted- Do Jehovah's Witnesses Relish It, a Notch on Their Belt ?

by flipper 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • flipper
    flipper

    I've had this thought rolling around in my head for a couple days now . After reading a thread about the subject of hate and witnesses on another thread. So, what do you think ? Do the witnesses want to be the penultimate martyrs ? I remember when I used to go out in field service if someone came back to the car after getting scorned at a door , screamed at by a householder, or chewed out , some publishers would get off on it like it was a real rush to be " persecuted " for " righteousness" sake. They would act all giddy and excitable like having an adrenalin rush from drinking too many red bull energy drinks. And I, like maybe some of you used to see publishers stick their foot in someone's closing door, trying like hell to get in one last point to the householder. This kind of behavior always made me shake my head in disgust, even as a witness.

    But the blame really falls on the Jehovah's Witness organization for making these people feel that to be approved by God, you have to be persecuted and go through trials like Jesus did. If you are not suffering enough, you must not be faithful enough or doing enough ! So they look at themselves as more holy and approved if they are undergoing hate, resentment towards them because of being witnesses.

    Which brings me to the next problem with this twisted thinking. So in looking at the child molestation crisis, blood transfusion crisis, the witnesses dissing of higher college learning , when they hear any aggression towards them in their beliefs, immediately the radar goes up, and they look at it as having to endure persecution ! Somehow , in protecting what they feel are legitimate beliefs , they make themselves feel holier in God's sight by accusing anyone disagreeing with them as a persecutor of them. It's like a knee-jerk reaction, the kind you get when you go to the doctor, and he hits the little rubber mallet on your knee. The knee pops up, without even thinking about it. That is what cult mind control does to the Jehovah's Witnesses. So if we feel tempted to argue too much with them, thus giving them power and making them feel really hated, they have already kind of won, feeling they are better because we are persecuting them.

    So, I'll tell you what. Sometimes what I do is I try to be respectful, nice to them , might bring a subject up, but I don't harp on it, or wear it out ! If we are kind to them, polite, it catches them off guard because they have been told that we on the outside are all from Satan and are hateful apostates. So, as an expression goes, kill em' with kindness ! My super elder brother got his home burglarized, and I called up to send my sympathy and compassion to him and his wife ! They sounded stunned that I'd call. They almost didn't know how to respond. Finally they said, " Thanks for being concerned. " But I mean it, they are not used to that ! Perhaps by our being loving apostates, we can rip the veneer off the witness martyrdom scam ! Look forward to hearing your comments on this too. Would like to hear what you think

  • flipper
    flipper

    So do you think they use this persecution complex to insulate themselves from the outside world ? Perhaps like David Koresh, Jim Jones, even Charles Manson ? The similarity I believe is quite alarming in that all these guys as the witnesses felt they were put upon by society and misunderstood, rejected ! See a similarity ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • carla
    carla

    Of course they love to think they are persecuted. Wish to hell they would learn what real persecution is! It is not persecution if someone disagrees with you, it is not persecution to be yelled at, it is persecution to be have your head chopped off on the way to church. Let's see what the wt has to say about it shall we?

    It is not a form of religious persecution for anyone to say and show that another religion is false. It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion is false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true relgion. WT 11-15-1963

  • flipper
    flipper

    CARLA- Very true. I think they are a bunch of oversensitive, manipulators who try to get as much negative reinforcement as they can ! I totally agree that they don't have a clue what real persecution is ! They twitch funny even if you look at them with doubt! It is weird

  • carla
    carla

    I will say this though, the wt has done one heck of a job on jw's thinking they are persecuted just for looking at them cross-eyed. Do they have special classes on that or what? My jw tried for the longest time to insist I was persecuting him every time I disagreed with him (or should I say the wt?). (oddly, no answer when I would ask him why he was persecuting me) Finally I threatened to start carrying around recent pictures of people who truly were persecuted as foreign papers often print the grisly pictures. Finally I kept the above quote on me for a while to pull out when he tried that, that quieted him, hearing words straight from the wt I guess.

    His next step was not to use the word persecute and it turned to 'ridicule'. Each and every time I pointed out a real substantiated fault with the wt I was 'ridiculing' him. good grief. I then had to inform him what 'ridicule' actually meant. Now, he tries to tell me what Christians believe and I say which ones? Where'd you get your info from? (see how you can turn their own arguments about apostates around on them?) Mostly I try not to even discuss with him but as every jw who has a ubm knows you must have a doozy every few months that can last literally the whole damn day. Fun, Fun. (maybe they have special little fight give your spouse the good news time sheets for jw's with ubm's that must be filled out every so often? just kidding)

  • flipper
    flipper

    Yes Carla-- That must be a challenge for you to have to deal with , whether you are offending your mate or not, constantly. Jeez. It would be hard to be married to someone who thought you were persecuting them all the time. Like walking on eggshells. I commend you for your efforts at trying ! Peace to you, Mr. Flipper

  • The Oracle
    The Oracle

    Hey Mr. Flipper!

    Wassup, dude?

    Love your posts in general but this one is near and dear to my heart.

    Being kind is VERY IMPORTANT! It does throw them off. As you intimate, they kind of expect any thoughtful objections to "the truth" to be wrapped in spite and hateful Satanic-like ferocity.

    If you make your points in a calm, kind, and respectful manner - it really does throw them for a loop. As soon as you sound sarcastic, or like you are in attack mode a strange thing happens....

    Their defense mechanism kicks in. You are identified as a persecutor. They assume the role of the victim. The true Christian martyr. The suffererer for righteousness sake. And then nothing you say carries any more weight in their brain washed minds. It is immediately discarded. Their focus is on "standing firm".

    If you stay cool and say stuff like.... "I understand why you feel that way given what has been taught over the years in the WT, but have you ever considered why....blah blah" Take a page out of the reasoning book and turn it around on them - it really makes their head spin,,,,and hopefully enough to shake off at least of the some of the powerful brainwashing. You have to tread carefully. Do not say anything to trigger their defense mechanism.

    Peace bro,

    The Oracle

  • yknot
    yknot

    I didn't like persecution! It was painful!

    But it did make me stronger, less fearful, and able to stand up for myself.

    Y

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Yes. They are programmed to. They view it as a sign that they are in the Truth. In fact, they claim that anyone that is not experiencing persecution is not doing something right. Usually, this comes from being ostracized in society and having all the doors slammed in their faces. However, they will accept persecution in the form of government bans, having a householder pepper spray or shoot them, getting attacked by a dog, having objects thrown at them, being squirted with water, or getting beaten and peed on in jails for not giving up their religion.

    This is why I suggest education. If they come to my door, I will pull out my Crisis of Conscience book and put my computer to an apostate Web site in lieu of pepper spray or throwing objects or siccing dogs on them. This will stop them from getting the persecution they crave as a means of verifying that they are in the faith. It will also serve to sow doubts in their minds, and I bet I would have more fun brandishing a copy of Crisis of Conscience than a weapon or a vicious dog.

  • James Free
    James Free

    "Of course they love to think they are persecuted."

    I never did, and nobody I knew did. Most JW's do not want the attention, and would even prefer not to have to go door to door. The Org. may like it, but I never met a JW who did.

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