I just spoke very briefly with my Dad, an elder in rural Georgia, about this whole "elders not in any way responsible for protecting the flock" thing. His reply, before he hung up on me, was "That's common knowledge. Everyone knows that they are responsible for themselves, they are free moral agents, they can do what they want. Elders are not reponsibe in any way for the flock." I said, in a very loud incredulous tone, "What!!!???!!!" Click,,,,,..... I proceded to vomit nonstop for several minutes. I was eating a pear at the time. Now I'll never be able to eat pears again, I'm just too grossed out.