What is the Original Religion?

by Satanus 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • CaptainSchmideo
    CaptainSchmideo

    I love how Douglas Adams (of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy fame) sums it all up:

    Where does the idea of God come from? Well, I think we have a very skewed point of view on an awful lot of things, but let's try and see where our point of view comes from. Imagine early man. Early man is, like everything else, an evolved creature and he finds himself in a world that he's begun to take a little charge of; he's begun to be a tool-maker, a changer of his environment with the tools that he's made and he makes tools, when he does, in order to make changes in his environment. To give an example of the way man operates compared to other animals, consider speciation, which, as we know, tends to occur when a small group of animals gets separated from the rest of the herd by some geological upheaval, population pressure, food shortage or whatever and finds itself in a new environment with maybe something different going on. Take a very simple example; maybe a bunch of animals suddenly finds itself in a place where the weather is rather colder. We know that in a few generations those genes which favour a thicker coat will have come to the fore and we'll come and we'll find that the animals have now got thicker coats. Early man, who's a tool maker, doesn't have to do this: he can inhabit an extraordinarily wide range of habitats on earth, from tundra to the Gobi Desert - he even manages to live in New York for heaven's sake - and the reason is that when he arrives in a new environment he doesn't have to wait for several generations; if he arrives in a colder environment and sees an animal that has those genes which favour a thicker coat, he says “I'll have it off him”. Tools have enabled us to think intentionally, to make things and to do things to create a world that fits us better. Now imagine an early man surveying his surroundings at the end of a happy day's tool making. He looks around and he sees a world which pleases him mightily: behind him are mountains with caves in - mountains are great because you can go and hide in the caves and you are out of the rain and the bears can't get you; in front of him there's the forest - it's got nuts and berries and delicious food; there's a stream going by, which is full of water - water's delicious to drink, you can float your boats in it and do all sorts of stuff with it; here's cousin Ug and he's caught a mammoth - mammoth's are great, you can eat them, you can wear their coats, you can use their bones to create weapons to catch other mammoths. I mean this is a great world, it's fantastic. But our early man has a moment to reflect and he thinks to himself, 'well, this is an interesting world that I find myself in' and then he asks himself a very treacherous question, a question which is totally meaningless and fallacious, but only comes about because of the nature of the sort of person he is, the sort of person he has evolved into and the sort of person who has thrived because he thinks this particular way. Man the maker looks at his world and says 'So who made this then?' Who made this? - you can see why it's a treacherous question. Early man thinks, 'Well, because there's only one sort of being I know about who makes things, whoever made all this must therefore be a much bigger, much more powerful and necessarily invisible, one of me and because I tend to be the strong one who does all the stuff, he's probably male'. And so we have the idea of a god. Then, because when we make things we do it with the intention of doing something with them, early man asks himself , 'If he made it, what did he make it for?' Now the real trap springs, because early man is thinking, 'This world fits me very well. Here are all these things that support me and feed me and look after me; yes, this world fits me nicely' and he reaches the inescapable conclusion that whoever made it, made it for him.

    This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in - an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise.

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    yeah, right on. Douglas Adams hit the nail on the head many times. I love his work.

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    Sun worship. It could hardly escape early agricultural man and woman that the sun was the source of life. "Religion", to me at least, implies an organized cultural institution, not the simple, diverse beliefs of animist hunter-gatherers.

    We still have the celebration, now somewhat removed from its original purpose, of the death and rebirth of the sun at the winter solstice. Other seasonal celebrations celebrate fertility and death, planting and harvest, the coming of the rains and the approach of winter.

    On the winter solstice the sun would reach it's lowest point in its journey south, towards the constellation of the southern cross. It would "die" on December 22. Three days later on December 25 the sun would appear to be reborn as it once again perceptibly moved northward.

    At that time the Three Kings, the three stars of Orion's belt would align with the brightest star in the sky, Sirius, the "star in the East", to point to the location of the sun at the time of its rebirth.

    Now, it's purely speculation on my part, but I wonder if the so-called "living creatures" found in Biblical writings that feature four faces, a bull, a man, a lion, and an eagle might be related to the Zodiac. The bull would most likely represent Taurus, the man would possibly be Aquarius, and the lion would be Leo. I'm not sure where the eagle would fit into that. Still, the Bible is based on early sun worship, evolved and adjusted to suit the needs of priests and religious innovators down through the centuries.

    Dave

  • hybridous
    hybridous
    Seems to me that the primordial religion, if it could be called that, is a form of paganism that has pantheism, animism and shamanism. Also, it may contain sun worship.

    In this 'religion', they felt a connection w the land, had respect for nature and the animals. They often explained or apologised to the animals that they had to kill for food. This form was practiced around the globe, on all continents and islands. Is this the true religion? Or, does it make more sense that later, more developed, what could be called proper religions are more correct? Which form is more compatible w science?

    Good summary by Satanus.

    I would offer that the origional religion of humanity had prevailing themes of recognition of the duality of the universe. Man/Female, Yin/Yang, Hot/Cold, Light/Dark.

    What these ancient people knew, was that achieving balance between these two dualities resulted in LIFE. A good thing!!

    This is what they worshiped...LIFE.

  • CaptainSchmideo
    CaptainSchmideo

    I have read theories that the first religion centered around the mysteries of life, and birth especially. Since women were in charge of the childbirth procedures for the tribe, while the men were out hunting and breaking sticks, the men were in awe of the secrets that the women held. A type of matriarchy held sway, and more than likely, religion mirrored that matriarchy.

    Once mankind became herders and farmers, males had time to watch the crops and the herds. He started putting two and two together in regards to animals mating and the offspring that resulted, and realized that males had something to do with the creation of life. He already had the concept of ownership of his fields and herds, and now he got add his mate and her offspring to his realm of ownership with this realization. Thus, the status of women came crashing down, and more than likely, the worship of more masculine deities replace the worship of sacred feminine.

    Of course, this is just a theory...

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Nimrod worship?

  • blueviceroy
    blueviceroy

    Self awareness

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    Satanus, I went to bed last night thinking of shamans, light and darkness, male, female etc because of this thread.

    Now in the clear light of day it seems to me that the original religion very likely had to do with god being among the people and not above. For instance Nimrod and his tower pointed to god being above and very male like - Adam's god confused the languages. People formed smaller groups and spread - possibly living more in tune with one another within their group and in seeking harmony with the natural world. Seeing relgion in this light has more meaning for me than seeing 'God' as being far above imposing unity and maintaining his elevation. (my take on your question)

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Worldtraveler

    Shamanism supposedly helped people survive. That is why it succeeded. The shaman diagnosed and cured, he found the game, and things like that. Sometimes, if the shaman screwed up, the people would kill him.

    S

  • MadTiger
    MadTiger

    Remember: Religion =/= Spirituality

    That being said, the first religions sought to reconcile man to his environment. The Divine was apparent in all things around them.

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