lack of repentance is the ONLY ground for disfellowshipping.... really? (page 2)

Honesty

This is utter crap, I was disfellowshipped after turning myself in for fornication. Their "reason" for dfing me was because I went and married the guy I fornicated with against their advice, now, it had nothing to do with unrepentant sinning, and everything to do with teaching me who had the power and how dare I go against them. sweetstuff

That is one of the many reasons they are a cult. All of the honest elders have either stepped down or walked away from this religion that masquerades as God's ONLY channel.

sspo

Not true.

At all depends on the elders. you could truly repent but if the elders feel that the sin or the seriousness of it was committed

for an extended period of time ( a few years) you will still be DF.

It helps if you have a few buddies on the body of elders and you are liked in the congr.

FairMind

everything to do with teaching me who had the power and how dare I go against them

That is the core from which all they do springs. I was black balled for challenging the BOE’s decision (and winning) because I produced WT articles proving my position was supported by what the org. had stated in print. The odd thing is that everyone including the Service Desk in NY had to be pushed to agreeing that maybe I was right.

serendipity

I was told I was df'd because I waited so long to come to the elders.

lisavegas420

I waited to long to confess too. I prayed about it...I guilted over it until I was sick. Went to the elders, and spilled my guts. Then got df'd. They would have NEVER known if I hadn't told them.

lisa

WTWizard

They disfellowship at will. I have heard of people that have been inactive for many years, even 10 or more. Then, without warning, the hounder-hounder orders their records to be dragged out and the person hauled into the Kingdumb Hell. The hounders then scrutinize that person's life. And, I have seen cases where they are looking for a reason to disfellowship while others doing worse will just get a private reproof.

sweetstuff

They would have NEVER known if I hadn't told them.

Same here Lisa, I didn't have to tell them squat. I wasn't pregnant or anything. I confessed out of my own "christian guilt", sickening isn't it? And ironically the biggest Ahole on my committee (he was so sarcastic and nasty to me), turned around and left the org. a couple years later. LMAO

nvrgnbk

As a former elder I can tell you, it's a crapshoot.

Factors affecting the outcome of a judicial committee:

The mood of the elders on the committee, the way they interact with one another, if they've all had enough fiber in their diet, if they got some the night before, if there is a game on that they want to hurry home to see, if they like you, if you smell good, if you're related, if their wife ever cheated on them, if they ever cheated on their wife, if the circuit overseer is a dick, if the circuit overseer is a gem of a man and a sweetheart, if they really understand the instructions for dealing with your type of case, if it's raining, if you owe them money, if they owe you money, if they like their job, if they were abused as children, if you were abused as a child, if you were an elder, if you were kind, if you were a bitch/bastard, if they are hungry, if you wear red to your j.c., if they are secretly apostates, etc., etc.

Funny?

Sad?

True, every last word of it.

Scully

True story:

An older Pioneer™/Elder™ (married, wife is also a Pioneer™), a "pillar" in the congregation kind of guy, ends up in a romantic liaison ("one time only", apparently ) with a much younger married female Pioneer™ who happens to live in the same building as the Elder™ and his wife.

When the dalliance is discovered, they go to the Elders™ and report the wrongdoing.

The female party, despite being very sorry (ie, repentant) for the lapse in judgement and having shed many tears to that effect, is castigated as a seductress and is Disfellowshipped™. She loses contact with all her friends and family, even though she is truly sorry that she became involved in this wrongdoing.

The male party, on account of saying he was sorry, shedding a few tears, and despite the fact that as a "spiritual leader" he holds the scriptural weight of accountability, and owed the female party a fiduciary duty to not utilize his position in the congregation in order to manipulate circumstances that led to the wrongdoing, and definitely should have known better than to be in that situation, receives Public Reproof™ and is Deleted™ as an Elder™ and Pioneer™ for a year. He does not lose contact with his family or his friends, and can associate freely among JWs.

I never viewed that situation as being fair at all. If anything, the male party should have been completely stripped of all privileges, including association, by being DFd, and the female party should have been reproved.

I have to wonder how frequently, in situations like this, the female party fares far worse than the male party, particularly if the male party is already part of the congregation's patriarchal power structure.

shopaholic

Scully, I've seen what you've described a number of times with elders/MS/pioneers. Only once have I seen it where the man was df'd and the woman was reproved (a couple in their mid-30's let a young brother move in with them and the husband traveled on business a lot...sure you can finish the story).

Anyway, one time at a congo I attended a married MS about 55 years old took a special interest in a young girl that was 18. The girl's father was never in her life. He befriended her and she would go out to dinner with him and his wife. Everyone thought it was nice that they took such an interest in this girl. Anyway, turned out they had been sleeping together for about a year. She was disfellowshipped and he was publicly reproved. Nearly ripped the congo and neighboring congos in half.

Also I have known of elder's kids at my congo that have done all types of things and never received ANY theocratic discipline whatsoever...how do I know...because they went around bragging about it. One elder would bring his pregnant teenage daughter out in service...LOL...that didn't last long as the commentary from the householders were quite colorful...LOL!

So, being disfellowshipped depends on a number of factors.

lack of repentance is the ONLY ground for disfellowshipping.... really?

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