a glimpse into life....11th nov 1660... courtesy of mr samuel pepys

ninja

Sunday 11 November 1660

(Lord’s day). This morning I went to Sir W. Batten’s about going to Deptford to-morrow,
and so eating some hog’s pudding of my Lady’s making, of the hog that I saw a fattening the other day at her house,
he and I went to Church into our new gallery, the first time it was used, and it not being yet quite finished,
there came after us Sir W. Penn, Mr. Davis, and his eldest son. There being no woman this day, we sat in the foremost pew,
and behind us our servants, and I hope it will not always be so, it not being handsome for our servants to sit so equal with us.
This day also did Mr. Mills begin to read all the Common Prayer, which I was glad of. Home to dinner, and then walked to Whitehall,
it being very cold and foul and rainy weather. I found my Lord at home, and after giving him an account of some business,
I returned and went to my father’s where I found my wife, and there we supped, and Dr. Thomas Pepys, who my wife told me after I was come home,
that he had told my brother Thomas that he loved my wife so well that if she had a child he would never marry, but leave all that he had to my child,
and after supper we walked home, my little boy carrying a link, and Will leading my wife. So home and to prayers and to bed.
I should have said that before I got to my Lord’s this day I went to Mr. Fox’s at Whitehall, when I first saw his lady, formerly Mrs. Elizabeth Whittle,
whom I had formerly a great opinion of, and did make an anagram or two upon her name when I was a boy. She proves a very fine lady, and mother to fine children.
To-day I agreed with Mr. Fox about my taking of the 4000l. of him that the King had given my Lord.

it also talks of his little boy(wayneman birch)carrying a "link" ...this was a torch made from pitch

Bonnie_Clyde

"We sat in the foremost pew, and behind us our servants, and I hope it will not always be so, it not being handsome for our servants to sit so equal with us."

Very interesting use of the word "handsome."

Are you sure W. Penn is the same as William Penn?

ninja

yep....bonnie....google him and samuel pepys

BIG D

why did the doctor say he basically loved this mans wife and would never marry, seems very offensive to me?

big d

eclipse

and Dr. Thomas Pepys, who my wife told me after I was come home,
that he had told my brother Thomas that he loved my wife so well that if she had a child he would never marry, but leave all that he had to my child,
and after supper we walked home, my little boy carrying a link, and Will leading my wife

It seems confusing...

Did she not have a child with the author, would that not be the little boy carrying the torch?

Unless that little boy was from a previous marriage?

If he found what the doc said offensive, he would of written that...

since he stated his feelings on having his servants sitting so close to him in church...

perhaps the doc was refering to another type of love...fatherly love perhaps?

ninja

dont be so easily offended biggy......he was pepys cousin read the diary here http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/11/11/ click on the the docs name for background info cheers mate....ninja

BIG D

yes , but fatherly love, ?

he said if she had a child, he would never marry, and he didnt tell this to the author, he told this to his brother who then told the author, and yes i suspect , they had no children together.

sounds like wishful adultrey thinking!

big d

a servant of pepys

Ohh! I thought it was his son...sorry about that.

a glimpse into life....11th nov 1660... courtesy of mr samuel pepys

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