Recession Coming?

by new boy 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • new boy
    new boy

    Every year John Mitchell (the head economist for U.S.Bank) gives a talk to us Realtors, in Portland OR. He talks first about the world economy, then the U.S.A. and ends up with Oregon's economy ....he usually is right on. He perdicted housing prices peeking the third quarter of "06" he this came to pass. The title of his talk this year was "Still Sliding Towards the Trough."

    This last Friday November 16, 2007 he spoke again. I couldn't wait to here what he had to say.

    Over all, the economy is in pretty good shape. Areas of concern.

    1. Housing Contraction (He says the slide will hopfully end sometime in 2009) the best place to buy Utah 15.28% up. Neveda worst state with 1.45% down.

    2. Oil Shock (almost record price) will effect prices of "everything."

    3. Credit Tightening...

    4.Food Price Developments

    Bottom line we have only a 1 in 3 chance of a Recession.

    What do you think?

  • DJK
    DJK

    IMO, we are in for something worse than a recession.

  • zack
    zack

    Inventories are very low. American's net worth is at its highest since WWII. There is a great deal of pent up demand, even in housing.

    I think oil prices and wintertime affect people and cause gloominess. That and the relentless 24 hour news cycle telling us how bad everything is.

    That said, we spend 7% of GDP on energy today compared with 14% in 1978. We also spend

    less for food as a proportion of household income than we did before WWII (10% versus 24%) thanks to farm programs and subsidies.

    Housing market where I am is a good one, not not the gangbusters market we all got used to the last 7 or so years.

    My business is doing well, although it is very competetive out there.

    I see slower growth, but no recession.

  • zeroday
    zeroday

    I drive truck for a living and trucking can be a leading indicator on how the economy is doing...Right now freight is the worst I have seen in my 21 years of driving...

  • JH
    JH

    When you work, you're never in recession

    When you lose your job, you're in recession

    Some even made money during the great depression

  • new boy
    new boy

    Zack you're 93 and still working?

    Food prices from September 2006 to now 2007

    Wheat $3.91 to $8.12....over 100% increase in 1 year.

    Barley $2.55 to $5.82

    Milk $15.00 to 19.90

    Cows $43.30 to 48.20

  • besty
    besty

    would stopping massive farming subsidies in the US and Europe drive down commodity prices?

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Eventually this world has to have a long term recession before we destroy it completely. If we don't have some major recession across the entire globe we'll do an easter island and nature will sort us out.

    I feel for those trapped by the slavery of debt (and I'm in it too but not yet critically.) In the west we have a perpetual state of recession for the poor (who get less and less in comparison to the well off each year) and a permanent state of wealth for the capitalists. Its the middle classes who swing between good times and bad.

    Will the US suffer full recession? probably not for one simple reason - the falling dollar. You are about to re-import a load of jobs you lost and its likely that you'll begin to erase your trade imbalance. More worrying for the US is the long term scenario of the dollar as described by Iran - unfortunately he was right - the dollar is worthless (most currencies are) and if the world decides to diversify its dollar holdings / trade its oil in euros then I think we could see a bleed in US capital abroad (China will race the Saudi's to buy your cheap businesses due to a decimated dollar value.)

    This is how I see it panning out.

    Wave of foreclosures, massive social disaster, general public start saving (a very, very overdue and good thing for the economy long term!) and expenditure drops dramatically, this sucks in fewer imports while at the same time exports soar US trade deficit closes. General flight out of the dollar as its status as reserve currency is replaced by baskets of currencies. Oil prices continue to rise bringing in higher inflation (reducing overall debts) and hurting the US wallet - again big social issues as heating costs soar, food bills rise and travel is squeezed. Period of US home ownership aspiration is replaced by renting. Falling interest rates and better equity to debt ratios (remember all that saving) allow banks to begin lending more freely again - this internal demand coupled with the growth in manufacturing should then grow your economy again on a far surer footing than it is in now. The net losers in the short term - sub-primes, new homebuyers, business start ups, Germany and China. Long term winners - everyone except the natural world which is screwed.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I think it's only a matter of time before we end up in a recession comparible to the 1970s. You can be working and see your paycheck buying less and less, eventually not being sufficient, because of inflation.

    This is why. Oil prices are up. So, what do we do? We waste it growing corn to make ethanol. This uses almost a barrel of oil to produce the energy equivalent of a barrel of oil, plus it drives up food prices. That does nothing to loosen the supply of energy. Meanwhile, every other option for alternative energy gets shot down as fast as they come up, keeping us from ever reducing reliance on oil.

    Besides this, we have the credit crunch. Subprime lenders are first. After that, everyone is affected. It becomes difficult to get credit. And this limits spending, since paychecks are not keeping up with inflation and there are so damn many regulations against creating new types of products that improve on what we already have. Ultimately, that will choke off manufacturing as they outsource to China. Lead or no lead, all manufacturers feel that they would rather pay the high shipping costs to import from China than pay American workers a decent wage. All of which leads to less income for spending.

    Once this happens, people no longer have the means to afford things. Big screen TVs, computers, and iPods sit on the shelf because no one has the money to buy them. And they cost an arm, a leg, and a mint to import them from China because of oil prices. (Remember, the companies are too cheap to hire American workers and pay them decently). So, retailers and factories suffer. Ultimately, most Americans find their goods unwanted because there isn't the money to buy them. Then we end up in a depression with inflation--prices can't go down because of oil and food shortages, and without money, no one can afford things.

    Unless all our agencies get off the cases of alternative energy producers and start protecting them from terrorists from the oil nations, we are in for a depression with severe inflation. Also, the big companies are going to have to bite the bullet and stop outsourcing manufacturing to China (lead or no lead). No, the consumers cannot buy us out of this depression/inflation. Only if people are allowed to create (not just produce) value in our economy can this country be saved from the depression with inflation that is otherwise coming. And that means letting those dishonest companies that bribe the lawmakers to keep alternatives in [medicine, transportation, energy] off the markets just go belly up while those creating the alternatives prosper.

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    Don't know about the rest of you people in the usa, but here in MI seems like recession is a nice word compared to what's actually happening.

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