Another Questionable JW Video

by DT 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • DT
    DT

    http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/716353.htm

    The whole video is laughable, but I wanted to concentrate on the quoting of Dr. M. Ruth Infante. Did she know the full truth about the JW pedophile policy? Even if she is a JW she isn't an elder so she would probably be ignorant of their secret policies. Does she realise that they are still quoting her at least five years after the fact? She might be shocked and resentful if she learned the truth about the matter.

    It might be worth trying to contact her. I would rather see someone do this who is more knowledgeable about the pedophilia issues than I am. I believe I have her current contact information. If someone wants to volunteer to do this, they can PM me for the contact information. What do you think?

  • Burger Time
    Burger Time

    Notice that she says, "when there is no adult to take charge". Uh duh anything is better for the child when they have no parents, atleast someone is stepping up. She probably doesn't realize that most Elders superceed the parent's wishes.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Total bullsxxx! They have a policy, all right. In fact, they always had a policy to require two witnesses to the event. Unless two witnesses are present, the pedophile is seen as having never committed the offense and is off the hook. Then, the victims are silenced under threat of getting disfellowshipped for "slander" if they report it to the police or warn others of the potential danger.

    Further, the date of the material is 2005. The video was based on already outdated material, since I am sure other children have been molested since then and have been silenced in lieu of having a second witness to the event. The embarrassing NBC report was 11/21/2007, which is later than 2005. Obviously, someone was lied to in order to come up with the idea that it is a good policy.

    Yes, they do take aggressive action--if the pedophile has two witnesses. Only then do they take the above action. But since when are there two witnesses? Do they molest in the middle of the Kingdumb Hell or in front of the child's parents? I don't think so. Usually, the act happens during a hounding call, and the child is forced alone away from anyone else before being molested. They appeal to it as being necessary, since they usually find some imaginary thing they need to hound the child for in addition to the original purpose of the hounding call. It is when they have the child alone that the molestation happens, and then it is almost always done by totally abusing authority and by threatening that the child might get destroyed at Armageddon unless they cooperate with the hounding. A second witness to the event is never present. And, then nothing ever gets done about it. That renders their policy totally useless.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Notice very carefully the placement of the word KNOWN. "A man known to have been a child molester..." Duh, if you have a sleezeball chasing kids around that is listed on the states "Registered Sex Offenders" list, how about we don't make him a Circuit Overseer, or an Elder, etc.

    Omit the word KNOWN and you have a completely different policy of the WTBTS which is still very much running today. If you have a pervert that is known only by the elders to have molested children, the WTBTS legal department has also been notified, the victim and family have not notified the police and told to keep quiet, the punishment was as little as Private Reproof, guess what? They are NOT KNOWN to have been a child sex offender. Yes, they are a molester and likely will molest again, but the public and most of the congregation doesn't know that. The pervert will, after some period of time, qualify for reappointment as a MS, Elder, etc. When JR Brown speaks of their 'very aggressive policy' he's refering to the crazy JW word games and jacked up policies.

    Admit it JR, you're one of them, right? Why else would a group of men be so concerned about the rights, confidentiality, and 'spiritual progress' of child molesters? If WTBTS cared about the children and the cleanness of their organization, the statement should directly say, "For the protection of our children, a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation."

  • avishai
    avishai

    Yeah, JR Clown is an asshole. Here's what he said about my bro's case

    Suit Targets Jehovahs Witnesses

    Benton complaint about sex abuse and church policy is said to be the first of hundreds across the U.S.

    The setup is such that the elders are the voice of the Watchtower, and the Watchtower is the voice of Christ. Theyre taught that if you take it to the elders, you get the best forum already that you could ever be in. Kimberlee Norris, Forth Worth Attorney

    10-6-02

    BY JENNUFER ROUSE

    MID-VALLEY SUNDAY

    A man is suing the and North Corvallis Jehovah's Witness congregations and the reli­gion's 'national headquarters for $3 million. The lawsuit accuses church leaders of ignoring the sexual abuse he suffered as a Child.

    The suit is the first of hundreds of mass filings against Jehovah's Witnesses planned by the law firm that filed it. The complaint names the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York and numerous other defen­dants. It alleges that when Tyler C. Davidow, now in his early 20s, was 4 or 5, a fellow Jehovah's Witness member abused him. His mother, Cathy Davidow, contends that when she went to the elders of the church, they did nothing to stop the abuse.

    Tyler and Cathy Davidow both declined to be interviewed. In this report, Mid-Valley Sunday is not iden­tifying the defendant also named in the suit because he could not be located to respond to the allegations.

    Jim Rifle, an elder from the congregation said ho couldn't comment on the situation because he didn't know anything about it and hadn't been served with court papers yet. "We'll address the matter when we are Informed of it through the proper channels," Riffe said.

    Steve Cuda, an elder from the congregation, also had not heard of the complaint and could not comment. It usually takes some time before are served with notice of civil complaints. Officials at the national headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in , didn't know of the suit either.

    However, J.R. Brown, a national spokesman for the organization, said that while Jehovah's Witnesses deal strictly with child abuse within the congregation, it isn't the church's job to report abuse. "Nothing prevents them from call­ing the authorities," Brown said. "They don't have to call us first. These things operate separately. If the offender is part of the congregation, we will deal with it in a church setting.

    But if they are also reported to the authorities, we will not try to shield them.

    A copy of the complaint was sent to the newspaper by attorney James G. Nelson. According to the lawsuit, Cathy Davidow owned a store called Blackbeard's Market 145 N.W. ,Corvallis , in the 1980s. While she worked at the market, she often brought with her and let rim play in a storage area, Mother and child were members of the con­gregation in 1989, Cathy Davidow employed a woman who, was a member of the congregation. According to the lawsuit, this woman often brought her teenage son with her to work, and, according to he lawsuit, he often stayed with in the storage area while he women worked.

    In 1985, according to the com­plaint told his mother that the teenager had been sex­ually abusing him for a year, and she went to the elders of her church.

    Kimberlee Norris, the attorney handling the case, said that Jehovah's Witnesses encourage church members to take complaints to he church leaders.

    The control issue is so strong in Jehovah's Witness corn congregation," Norris said. The setup is such that the elders are the voice of the Watchtower (the name of the Jehovah's Witness headquarters), and the Watchtower is the voice of Christ. Theyre taught that if you take it to the elders, you get the best forum already that could ever be in.

    According to the suit, when Davidow went to the elders of the church, they told her they would research the problem and take care of it and that she shouldn't tell anyone else aboutit.

    Oregon law requires members of the clergy, like teachersand social workers, to report any allegation of child abuse to disfellowshipping the police. However, another law (ORS 40.260) provides an exception if it is part of a church's religious practice to keep confidential communication secret.

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    Brown, the national spokesman, said that Jehovah's Witness elders do report sex abuse in states where there are mandatory reporting laws.

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    If it is a state that requires clergy to report, we of course would view that as taking precedence over ecclesiastical privilege," he said.

    Time passed, and Davidow didn't see anything being done, either to help her son of to discipline the offender. She continued to ask the elders what they were doing about the issue, the lawsuit says. Eventually, she contacted the elders at the congregation, where the alleged abuser and his mother were members.

    The elders of (Corvallis congregation) instructed her to stop talking about it, we've got it handled," the lawsuit states.

    In 1993, Davidow says she reported the matter to the Corvallis police .

    "For her to come to that point, as a Jehovahs Witness, you have to come to the point where youre willing to be shunned," Norris said.

    Jehovahs Witnesses teach that church members who rebel against the teachings of the church should be disciplined, for their own good, so that, they might repent and return to fellowship.

    That often takes the form of disfellowshipping all members of the congregation, even other family members, breaking all ties with the offender. An article on the Jehovahs Witnesses Web site mentions that even saying hello to a disfellowshipped person might be wrong.

    When Cathy Davidow finally reported her sons abuse to the police, she was disfellowshipped. was not disfellowshipped but chose to leave the faith on his own.

    The basis of the suit against the Jehovahs Witnesses is that the elders were negligent in failing to deal with the reports of sexual abuse. And according to Norris, it wasnt a simple oversight on the parts of elders in . She believes that child abuse in the Jehovahs Witness church is widespread because of the churchs policies.

    Its not that they intend for children to be molested by the dozens, Norris said. Its that their crummy policy allows this to happen. Theyre had notice upon notice that it is, in fact, occurring. At some point, does it rise to the level of gross negligence?

    Thats why the suit doesnt just name the two local congregations, but the churchs headquarters and subsidiaries in and . And Davidows suit is not the only one.

    Norris and a team of other attorneys are filing suits alleging negligence against the Jehovahs Witnesses organization in all 50 states. Davidows is the first because of the impending statute of limitations a civil suit for child sexual abuse cant be filed in Oregon after the victims reaches the age of 24.

    Norris said the mass filings are akin to a class action lawsuit.

    Norris first began working on the issue last May, when a woman approached her with a story similar to Davidows.

    Her initial allegations were so outrageous as to cause me concern as to if they were even truth, she said. After I began to investigate her situation and did research on other like situations, it became clear that what she experienced, and what others experienced, are systemic in the Jehovahs Witnesses organization.

    Since then, Norris said shes heard almost the same story from 200-300 different people.

    There are two specific Jehovahs Witnesses policies that Norris contends foster sexual abuse. One policy, she says, tells church members to report problems involving other believers to church leaders instead of police. The other is that the church requires two eye witnesses to an incident before the accused person can be punished.

    Brown, the Witness spokesman, said that while the church does require two eye witnesses or other compelling evidence before meting out any church discipline, thats beside church procedures. He said the church does not forbid members from reporting crimes to the police.

    Were not trying to deal with the penalty of the law, he said. Thats a separate thing from our point of view. Yes, an abuser should pay the penalty, even if he has to sit in jail for 10 -15 years.

    Norris said that despite what church leaders say about encouraging church members to go to they police if they wish to, that rarely, if ever, happens among Jehovahs Witnesses.

    Norris said that while Tyler Davidow does hope to reclaim damages for the emotional pain his unacknowledged child abuse caused him, he and the other people she represents have a larger goal in mind.

    "This is really difficult for him, but he wants to see policy change," she said.

    We want to change Watchtower Society policy that, in my opinion, fosters and encourages child abuse.

  • avishai
    avishai

    SO full of $hit.

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=/vnr/2122827332/716353.pdf

    Transcript of Video News Release

    J. R. Brown, Organizational Spokesman for Jehovah's Witnesses

    Dr. M. Ruth Infante, Psychiatrist, Psychopharmacologist

    David Sinclair, Congregation Elder

    Philip Brumley, General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses

    Jehovah's Witnesses' Policy on Dealing With Child Abuse

    Mr. Brown: We have a very aggressive policy to handle child molestation in the

    congregations. And it is primarily designed to protect our children. And then it

    also is in compliance with the laws of the land, or the state, so that there is not a

    conflict.

    Dr. Infante: I think that's a very good policy, that the elders essentially would take charge of

    the situation of reporting the abuse to the authorities if there is no adult in

    authority, any other adult in authority to do that, to protect the child.

    Mr. Sinclair: If we didn't have a policy, it might be confusing to some who have never dealt

    with things like that before, like I had never dealt with it before. You are not sure

    where to turn for help. But when you know that there is a policy in place— that

    you can go and get the help that's needed— that is very comforting. And then,

    within the congregation, through the arrangement of the congregation, you can

    provide the spiritual help and the encouragement to get over the difficulties that

    the individuals have faced in their childhood.

    Mr. Brumley: There are instances when a situation that should have been reported is not. Or

    where care should have been extended and it was not. But to say that the policy is

    not followed perfectly is a far cry from saying that there exists a policy to

    affirmatively minimize, or hide, this problem. The policy that Jehovah's

    Witnesses have on how to handle cases of child molestation is without equal in

    the religious community.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    As Mr. Brumley is talking, there is written comment on the screen, It says:

    "No religious demonination contacted, has even considered what some Jehovahs Witnesses are demanding for their church, that congrations be told that pedophiles are in their midst. " The Courier Journal Louieville, Kentucky Feb. 1, 2001.

    My comments to follow.

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    Mr. Sinclair

    And then,

    within the congregation, through the arrangement of the congregation, you can

    provide the spiritual help and the encouragement to get over the difficulties that

    the individuals have faced in their childhood.

    Still no talk of police, but also, A child that has been abused, does not need spirtual help, and encouragement!! They need peace of mind, that the pervert is behind bars, and some professional counciling. FACED IN THEIR CHILDHOOD????? WTF?? They know they have adults from the past also, that are dealing with this. This is a smoking gun right here!!

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    As Mr. Brumley is talking, there is written comment on the screen, It says:

    "No religious demonination contacted, has even considered what some Jehovahs Witnesses are demanding for their church, that congrations be told that pedophiles are in their midst. " The Courier Journal Louieville, Kentucky Feb. 1, 2001.

    What other demonination has pedophiles, still in their midst??????? NONE This is comparing apples to oranges. Any other church, would tell the parent to go directly to the police, the guy would be arrested, his name splashed all over the front page, the whole fricken city would know just from the headlines!

    Then the guy goes to prison, for years. No known pedophiles in any other church. Only the ones who get out of prison, and served their time. Same church?? you can bet the mamas are stearing their children away from him. New Church?? If a man looks at a child cross ways, I bet he is investigated.

    Who made this statement??? The newspaper? or the Watchtower. You can't tell by the video.

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    Dr. Infante: I think that's a very good policy, that the elders essentially would take charge of

    the situation of reporting the abuse to the authorities if there is no adult in

    authority, any other adult in authority to do that, to protect the child.

    The above statement does not make any sense at ALL.

    Do we have children in the congregation, living on their own? Are they camped out, behind the KH? I also think that some JW elders, think that they are the "authorities".

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