He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
Death no more for who ? Everyone ?
Rev 21: 4
by moomanchu 7 Replies latest watchtower bible
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zeroday
You apparently did not read the "Revelation" book. The entire book of Revelation was written with the modern day Jehovah's Witness as the final fulfillment of prophecy...NO only those faithful JW's that survive the BIG A will never cry again or see death...The rest of us worm food will not only see death but dwell in forever oblivion...
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jwfacts
The Watchtoweranswer is no more "Adamic" death, death related to Adam's sin. There will still be death after the 1000 years, for any that choose to turn away from Jehovah, just as Satan, though perfect was able to sin.
It does not cease to amaze me that no matter how black and white a scripture can look in the Bible, it can be made to mean anything. Why, because there is no one coherent theme that runs through the Bible.
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Must obey!
The context is speaking about "a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev 21:1), so it really applies to both of those; death (the opposite of life) will not exist in either. Rev 21:4 applies after the millennium, not during it (see Rev 20:7; Rev 21:1). The cry that death is "no more" is the result of the "holy city" coming down "out of heaven" (Rev 21:2) and the resultant dwelling/tent of God being with mankind, so it is a situation on earth. Revelation 20:14 talks about "death and Hades" being destroyed, ie, death and the common grave, the pit, will be gone - no more Adamic sin & death. Compare with Isaiah 25:8 also - clearly talking about something on earth.
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Narkissos
One important element in the direct background of Isaiah 25 (and the indirect background of Revelation) is the mythological personification of Death as a deity, monster, etc., which is part of most cultures, and was particularly expressed in Canaanite religion under the traits of Mot (the name of which corresponds with the Hebrew noun for "death," mwt). Even in the Hebrew Bible "death," or the she'ol, 'abaddon, etc. are often described as devouringor swallowingthe living (many examples in Psalms). "Death" beingswallowed is hence a particularly meaningful image. Also note that "Death" is regularly personified in Revelation (e.g. chapter 6 where it "follows" the horsemen, or chapter 20 where it "throws up" its dead as it were).
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moomanchu
I have an old Rev book, but on page 303 par. 6 it says
John goes on to say: "and he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning no outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away" Once again, we are reminded of earlier inspired promises. Isaiah also looked forward to the time when death and mourning would be no more and grief would be replace by exultation. John now confirms that these promises have a wonderful fulfillment during the thousand-year Judgement day.
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moomanchu
I suppose they just mean death will be no more that is until Jehovah decides to start killing again after the millenium.
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Narkissos
The Revelation scenario is far from simple but the WT interpretation overcomplicates it.
To any unprejudiced reader the proclamation "death will be no more" only comes after the resurrection and judgement which themselves occur after the millenium. After that, nothing happens really.
The writer could as well have written "Life (in the historical sense) will be no more."