That's a great quote from the Proclaimers book Garrybuss, thanks. How totally farcical to pervert the meaning of "presence" to merely mean "turned his attention to the earth". Disgusting abuse of Jesus' words.
are they saying jesus came back now or not......
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 17 Replies latest jw friends
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garybuss
I've long said, if you want to hide anything from a Jehovah's Witness, put it in the Watchtower magazine . . . or Proclaimers book.
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uninformed
Gary
Your quote from the Proclaimers is fascinating.
The 'play on words' is deafening. They are trying to teach the 2nd coming of Christ in 1914, without saying that he really became earth's King in that year. I had never noticed how concisely they cut Jesus out of this earthly rulership.
The next couple of paragraphs in the proclaimers even further confuses the issue. Really and truly, no one of the average Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY know what is being taught about the year 1914.
The way they word everything gives them specific deniability, but in general we all got the jist that Jesus RETURN was in 1914, while nothing is further from their truth. AMAZING--CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
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jvchap.10pp.138-139GrowinginAccurateKnowledgeoftheTruth***By 1914, the faithful pre-Christian servants of God had not been resurrected on earth as princely representatives of the Messianic King, as had been expected, nor had the remaining ones of the "little flock" joined Christ in the heavenly Kingdom in that year. Nevertheless, TheWatchTower of February 15, 1915, confidently stated that 1914 was the due time "for our Lord to take up His great power and reign," thus ending the millenniums of uninterrupted Gentile domination. In its issue of July 1, 1920, TheWatchTower reaffirmed that position and associated it with the good news that Jesus had foretold would be proclaimed earth wide before the end. (Matt. 24:14) At the convention of the Bible Students at Cedar Point, Ohio, in 1922, this understanding was restated in a general resolution, and Brother Rutherford urged the conventioners: "Advertise, advertise, advertise, the King and his kingdom."
However, at that time the Bible Students felt that the setting up of the Kingdom, its fullestablishment in heaven, would not take place until the final members of Christ’s bride were glorified. A real milestone was reached, therefore, in 1925, when TheWatchTower of March 1 featured the article "Birth of the Nation." It presented an eye-opening study of Revelation chapter 12. The article set forth evidence that the Messianic Kingdom had been born—established—in 1914, that Christ had then begun to rule on his heavenly throne, and that thereafter Satan had been hurled from heaven down to the vicinity of the earth. This was the good news that was to be proclaimed, the news that God’s Kingdom was already in operation. How this enlightened understanding stimulated these Kingdom proclaimers to preach to the ends of the earth!
Brant
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VoidEater
Hindsight must be 20/20.
I still say sooner or later they're gonna have to claim that Armageddon already took place years ago.
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
where can i get a copy of proclaimers page for my dad............. i cant believe that could change something like that as if it were NO THANG !!!
i remember when my dad told christians at the door that Jesus had come back they would look at him like he was a crazy man....
i once showed a christian a picture if jesus on a stake not a cross and tears ran down her face...........
man WTF seroiusly one of our main doctranal issues was the CASE THAT JESUS HAD ALREADY RETURNED FFS
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M.J.
What ever happened to "...Herald of Christ's Presence"? So they changed the meaning of "presence", eh?
So if I have this right, "presence" doesn't mean literal "presence" but the act of turning you attention toward the location to where you are figuratively present? Okaaay... -
civicsi00
Damnit, what a play on words... They sure can twist those words around, can't they?
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
JW's hate talking about Jesus' spirit but if they say his presence on earth is his projected spirit then they have got themselves in another bind...... and from were did he direct his presence from ? please expand ?