The Bible admits it is errant

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  • heretic5
    heretic5

    According to the Bible, the Bible contains "leaven".
    Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
    Luke 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

    According to the Bible, "leaven" is to be avoided.
    Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
    Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

    According to the Bible, "leaven" can be avoided by sorting the Bible.
    Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
    Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
    2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

    Summation: according to the Bible, it contains "leaven", "leaven" is to be avoided, and "leaven" can be removed by sorting the Bible.

    Conclusion: the unsorted Bible is errant.

    Recommendation: remove the leaven from the Bible before attempting to study it.

  • 5go
    5go
    remove the leaven from the Bible before attempting to study it.

    And what is this leaven I am to remove. If it is errors I might well chunk it. Which I have.

  • aniron
    aniron

    Two different illustrative uses of "leaven" . Couldn't you see the difference of use within the scriptures?

    Matt13:33

    Here is the parable of the leaven, v. 33. The scope of this is much the same with that of the foregoing parable, to show that the gospel should prevail and be successful by degrees, but silently and insensibly; the preaching of the gospel is like leaven, and works like leaven in the hearts of those who receive it.

    A woman took this leaven; it was her work. Ministers are employed in leavening places, in leavening souls, with the gospel. The woman is the weaker vessel, and we have this treasure in such vessels.

    The heart is, as the meal, soft and pliable; it is the tender heart that is likely to profit by the word: leaven among corn unground does not work, nor does the gospel in souls unhumbled and unbroken for sin: the law grinds the heart, and then the gospel leavens it. It is three measures of meal, a great quantity, for a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. The meal must be kneaded, before it receive the leaven; our hearts, as they must be broken, so they must be moistened, and pains taken with them to prepare them for the word, that they may receive the impressions of it. The leaven must be hid in the heart (Ps. 119:11 ), not so much for secrecy (for it will show itself) as for safety; our inward thought must be upon it, we must lay it up, as Mary laid up the sayings of Christ, Lu. 2:>. When the woman hides the leaven in the meal, it is with an intention that it should communicate its taste and relish to it; so we must treasure up the word in our souls, that we may be sanctified by it, Jn. 17:17
    The leaven thus hid in the dough, works there, it ferments; the word is quick and powerful, Heb. 4:12 The leaven works speedily, so does the word, and yet gradually. What a sudden change did Elijah’s mantle make upon Elisha! 1 Ki. 19:20 . It works silently and insensibly (Mk. 4:26 ), yet strongly and irresistibly: it does its work without noise, for so is the way of the Spirit, but does it without fail. Hide but the leaven in the dough, and all the world cannot hinder it from communicating its taste and relish to it, and yet none sees how it is done, but by degrees the whole is leavened.

    Thus it was in the world. The apostles, by their preaching, hid a handful of leaven in the great mass of mankind, and it had a strange effect; it put the world into a ferment, and in a sense turned it upside down (Acts 17:6 ), and by degrees made a wonderful change in the taste and relish of it: the savour of the gospel was manifested in every place, 2 Co. 2:14; Rom. 15:19 . It was thus effectual, not by outward force, and therefore not by any such force resistible and conquerable, but by the Spirit of the Lord of hosts, who works, and none can hinder.

    Thus it is in the heart. When the gospel comes into the soul, [1.] It works a change, not in the substance; the dough is the same, but in the quality; it makes us to savour otherwise than we have done, and other things to savour with us otherwise than they used to do, Rom. 8:5 . [2.] It works a universal change; it diffuses itself into all the powers and faculties of the soul, and alters the property even of the members of the body, Rom. 6:13 . [3.] This change is such as makes the soul to partake of the nature of the word, as the dough does of the leaven. We are delivered into it as into a mould (Rom. 6:17 , changed into the same image (2 Co. 3:18 , like the impression of the seal upon the wax. The gospel savours of God, and Christ, and free grace, and another world, and these things now relish with the soul. It is a word of faith and repentance, holiness and love, and these are wrought in the soul by it. This savour is communicated insensibly, for our life is hid; but inseparably, for grace is a good part that shall never be taken away from those who have it. When the dough is leavened, then to the oven with it; trials and afflictions commonly attend this change; but thus saints are fitted to be bread for our Master’s table.

    Matt 16:6

    Here is the caution Christ gave them, to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. He had now been discoursing with the Pharisees and Sadducees, and saw them to be men of such a spirit, that it was necessary to caution his disciples to have nothing to do with them. Disciples are in most danger from hypocrites; against those that are openly vicious they stand upon their guard, but against Pharisees, who are great pretenders to devotion, and Sadducees, who pretend to a free and impartial search after truth, they commonly lie unguarded: and therefore the caution is doubted, Take heed, and beware.

    The corrupt principles and practices of the Pharisees and Sadducees are compared to leaven; they were souring, and swelling, and spreading, like leaven; they fermented wherever they came.
    Their mistake concerning this caution, v. 7. They thought Christ hereby upbraided them with their improvidence and forgetfulness, that they were so busy attending to his discourse with the Pharisees, that therefore they forgot their private concerns. Or, because having no bread of their own with them, they must be beholden to their friends for supply, he would not have them to ask it of the Pharisees and Sadducees, nor to receive of their alms, because he would not so far countenance them; or, for fear, lest, under pretence of feeding them, they should do them a mischief. Or, they took it for a caution, not to be familiar with the Pharisees and Sadducees, not to eat with them (Prov. 23:6 whereas the danger was not in their bread (Christ himself did eat with them, Lu. 7:36 ; 11:37; 14:1), but in their principles.

  • Exterminator
    Exterminator

    The apostle Paul, for example, would be astonished to see that millions today have turned a few of his letters into the revealed word of God himself. He would say he's just Paul, a man, wouldn't he?

  • JosephMalik
    JosephMalik

    He would say he's just Paul, a man, wouldn't he?

    Exterminator,

    No, he would say he was an apostle (one of the 12 actually) and had the authority to do this. You can hardly read any of his letters without him saying that he as an apostle of Jesus Christ just like Peter did.

    Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

    1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

    1Co 9:1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?

    1Co 9:2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

    1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

    2Co 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

    2Co 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

    Ga 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

    Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

    Col 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,

    1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

    1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

    Joseph

  • Must obey!
    Must obey!

    Hate it when posters quote the old archaic KJVstyle bibles. I never bother reading past the first line. This is the 21st century folks...we are no longer speaking medieval english!

  • Exterminator
    Exterminator

    Thank you, Joseph, but where does Paul claim to be writing God's own word?

    However, the fact is that I highly value what he wrote as an apostle. Galatians 1:8 for example.

  • JosephMalik
    JosephMalik

    where does Paul claim to be writing God's own word?

    Exterminator,

    Paul did not do that but Peter and the Church in Antioch did that for him. It was enough for everyone to know that Paul was authorized by Christ personally as His apostle and one of the 12 faithful ones personally chosen by Him and as such was authorized to speak for Him. This was recognized also in Antioch where the speaker said: Ac 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. Peter also recognized Paul as such and said: 2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. That made what Paul wrote the word of God as you choose to put it. Peter also recognized this gospel of NT texts themselves as scripture and said: 1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

    Joseph

  • Exterminator
    Exterminator

    Ineresting, Joseph. You show me how a man's word became God's.

    Yet, I insist that I really do appreciate Paul's letters -to the exception of his misogyny. He himself gave no man excessive reverence, even to Peter.

    How much this question matters to you is interesting, too.

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Hi mustobey!

    I am not condemming josephs posts but I do agree with you sentiments on the KJB!

    Have you tried "The Message" out on interest? I think you might like it ;)

    http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index.php?action=getVersionInfo&vid=65&lang=2#books

    Go to the bottom of the page.

    Regards,
    Stephen

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