by lrkr 54 Replies latest watchtower bible
Definition of religion:
1: A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.
2: An institution to express belief in a divine power.
Evolution is like the opposite of religion.
If ANYTHING it could be a philisophy, but that's a stretch, and it would only apply if you felt compelled to help evolution along.
Evolution is a natural process. It's no more religious than continental drift.
Lore - W.W.S.D?
RD: I think you have confused philosophy with religion, and perhaps morality with religion. Perhaps you are saying that in your view evolution and secular humanism serve the function of religion?
It is a simply mind boggling improbability, yet this is EXACTLY what you believe, and that my friend, takes FAITH.
Hmm...seems to me I am applying logic rather than faith.
In any case, perhaps I should take it as a religious experience that I will not be targeted with nuclear weapons by posters on this board this evening...or that other posters on this board exist.
I prefer the term intelligent tectonics, to continental drift.
Edit: You see the plates move because the Devil is moving them around with his pitchfork.
Evolution IS a religious teaching.
It attempts to explain our origins,
Sorry Dave, I disagree with that premise. Evolution documents the development of life AFTER its origin. How life initially started is a matter of belief. How life developed/evolved (after its origin) is something that scientists have been carefully documenting through the fossil records.
Even if one accepts the premise that believing evolution were a matter of "faith", that wouldn't make it a religion.
True, religion is faith-based. But is all faith religion-based? You can have faith in the trustworthiness of your mate when they're out of your sight, but that doesn't mean you have a religion based on that.
Right on!!! I got everyone wound up with this thread. Now, let me try and not kill it.
Evolution is the basis for modern medicine, modern zoology, modern biology. Living things evolve. One scientist says that evolution is a theory like 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom make water is a theory. Except that there is less proof that the 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom are water. (a rough quote- I'll get the source if challenged) Its the basis for the concept behind vaccines, its the basis for much of our understanding of ecosystems.
A religious idea!!!???? I couldn't believe my eyes.
One thing that I would to add is that the theory of evolution has grown and evolved within its understanding from its original concept 100 years ago.
Today there are numerous supporting sciences that collaborate with evolutionary science such as bio-mechanics and genetics etc.
Yes we are ever changing and evolving organisms.
Religion is more of a study and belief in spiritual philosophy, in contrary evolution is a study of procured factual evidence through discovery
Religion is a virtual construct based in faith, presupposition. Evolution is a discovered process based on evidence in biology, genetics and paleantology. Religion dictates reality. Evolution follows the evidence.
The wt is a good example of religion; it predicted many things that were supposed to happen. It has built a huge virtual edifice, parts of which it calls god's kingdom, satans organisation, various beasts, kings, angels spiritual states, etc. As the various parts failed, they were replaced w new ones.
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Religion is the belief in something that cannot be observed, proven or disproved. It is purely in the mind of the faithful.
Evolution is proven fact based on direct observation and measurements of nature.
There is a distinct difference.
The fossils date the rock layers, and the rock layers date the fossils, and round and round we go!
Yeah, this IS a lively one.
First off, I'm sorry to say that the evidence far from compels me. It's minimal at best.
Micro-evolution, AKA variations within a 'kind' is everywhere, but there is yet to be ANY proof that one 'kind' changes into another, or ever has.
Shared DNA? Inconclusive, signs of the maker. Uses proven techniques.
Neanderthal skulls? Try fitting the jaw differently and the whole outlook changes. Ask yourself why THAT has been suppressed.
The circular reasoning goes deeper than the rocks and fossils that date each other but never get off.
Crazy improbabilities that brought us here, that the eye could evolve, or the subjective first-person perspective, or any of it, yet it MUST have! Why? Because we ARE here!
And what of the contradictory evidence that is simply not considered?
Whole forests of petrified trees poking up through supposed eons of sedimentary layers?
Animal fossils that likewise cross boundaries of rock that are supposed to represent millions of years?
Did they lay out exposed until covered?
If something doesn't fit the story line it's suppressed or discounted.
Bah!
Your belief is as full of holes as mine, neither of us will really know until it's too late to tell anyone else.
So why do we believe?
I need God to be, you need him to not.
Origins, schmorigins, we each try to make sense of the world, our place in it, and how we got here, I just believe one thing, you believe another, but fool yourself not, there is as much faith and religion in denying God as in following Him.
I admit there's lots I can't explain, but it's you who are fooling yourselves that you are so right, so rational, so logical...
All the while espousing science that descended from the medieval belief that leaves falling in water became fishes, which became frogs.
Like I said, have at it, more power to you!
Even insist that it is a purely secular exercise with no religiosity whatsoever.
But I still think you are fooling yourself.
RD
Oh, and speaking of ignoring inconvenient contradictory findings...
