Set aside your political brainwashing, and read this.......................

by Warlock 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • Warlock
    Warlock


    The Great Moderation of Debt
    The coaches on the field still refuse to cut their losses and admit defeat: save your resources for the next game.
    Mr Practical
    Jan 23, 2008 9:00 am

    I have been travelling. I even went to Hawaii, which I call Japan Jr., where my yen go much farther than my dollars do.

    The Japanese are better than anyone at devaluing their currency, but alas, unless they confiscate their populace’s savings and burn it, even their government can’t fight the forces that will eventually drive the yen higher. You can see it happening as liquidity around the world is dropping and real savings are gradually returning home. I’ll be picking my next home when the dollar yen hits 80.

    There is a good article on the front page of today’s New York Times about the possibility that all this economic expansion of the last ten years (I think longer) has been a mirage. I have described this long ago.

    Economic growth, especially over the last seven years, has been based almost exclusively on expanding credit or inflation. As money became easier and real interest rates even became negative, people went on a spending spree. Now that credit is contracting (deflation), we are seeing that the party wasn’t about productivity or technology, but about being able to borrow money and spend it. I can’t overstate this: today we have more debt in the system by any measure than at any time in history.

    Many people have just now come to this conclusion. Where were these people before? Why didn’t all the money managers, financial advisors, market pundits, and treasury secretaries with all their professed experience warn us of this before now? Many that were doing just that were fired or drowned out for having such drastic opinions. What we had left were merely cheerleaders and profiteers. But even cheerleaders eventually have to admit they are losing the game. The problem now seems to be that the coaches on the field still refuse to cut their losses and admit defeat: save your resources for the next game.

    As economic growth expanded as money became free (not free as we now see because those that took it now have the consequence of risk), central bankers incorrectly labeled the economic growth nirvana. We had finally reached a place where governments could control the economy and everyone was going to march together into paradise. This is and always was a non-sequitor. By its nature an economy and its markets are tied together: controlling them is socialistic and will always slow growth. Why?

    The reason is resources are scarce and economic activity allocates those resources. In order for an economy to grow that must be done efficiently, which governments don’t do well. If resources are infinite then everyone can live in paradise, but until that time we are stuck with the markets to allocate resources.

    And the market is saying there is too much debt. It is that simple. The Great Moderation that Mr. Bernanke spoke of in 2004, which smacked to me right away by the way of a very socialistic remark, was merely the growing and looming debt fostered by central banks being spent. Now the process of that debt being either paid back or destroyed is revealing the Great Moderation as the Great Debacle.

    So the Fed being under great pressure collapsed yesterday and gave the economy not medicine but drugs. It gave it just what ails it: the sickness of debt. Mr. Paulson and Mr. Bernanke want banks to lend and people to borrow what they can’t afford to, more debt, to correct the problem. But if successful they will only exacerbate and prolong the inevitable. But I don’t think they will be successful. All the debt they just made cheaper will only go to two places: those that can afford to borrow it and thus don’t need it and directly to banks that can’t lend it. The rich will use it to again speculate or cheapen their debt. Banks will use it as capital to finance their ever declining asset values. Neither use will do any good to the real economy.

    As I said, the coaches on the field refuse to do the right thing. They should let markets correct the imbalances, as painful as that might be, and set the stage for new entrepreneurship to grow the economy in the future.

    Hopefully by now Minyans are out of debt and out of risky assets in order to weather this storm. The storm is still off the coast and is just beginning, so don’t open the hurricane shutters yet.

    Not for a while.

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  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    This article needs to be balanced by some other factors I think:

    There are more capitalist style consumers in the global system - many people have been taken out of subsistence living and into lives of moderate consumerism and this has driven demand. At the same time farming enhancements have allowed many more workers to produce manufactures to meet that demand - again a real increase in growth. There has been a large increase in low resource consumption industries, some booming (there has been an explosion in the services economy - this part of the economy consumes relatively little natural resources (except brain power) but does produce wealth - look at computer games, IT outsourcing, banking etc..)

    There is undoubtably truth in the idea that credit drives much consumer lead growth however, a massive amount of debt has been taken out by private and public bodies to provide growth generating capital (3 gorges dam is a good example.) These projects will normally provide very substantial returns on the massive debt taken out for decades to centuries to come - the very basis of capitalism. The best thing about capital and debt is that capital when invested provides increasing revenues over time while debt decreases over time (If you buy a house for 500,000 and rent it out at 2500 today in ten years the relative debt will be roughly half while the rental income will have doubled.)

    Debt must always be balanced against the income generated from what is purchased with that debt. If most of our debt has been pure consumption then the market will correct that with recession - if most of the debt has been in capital investments then it is very likely that future growth will wipe out debt rapidly.

    There is a brand new economy growing in the world, its exciting and will be a big engine for economic growth - its the green industry. This industry will be one of the first to begin reducing the over consumption of natural resources and its potential is huge.

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208
    (3 gorges dam is a good example.)

    Three gorges dam is a PERFECT example. Staggering cost in both money and lives. Debt that will last for generations. EXTREMELY low chance that the damn thing will actually work long term. Have you watched any of the shows on the history channel about this monstrosity? It's ALREADY silting in!

    Of course it probably cost less (in lives and dollars) than Bush's little war and well I say they both have about the same chance of working! However if the Chinese DO manage to pull of a miracle they make THEIR money back!

  • dawg
    dawg

    the article was well written, I almost got in a fist fight with a UGA economist 7 years ago, predicting this mess that is now upon us...the other mistakes made were allowing the NAFTA and the like to take effect... now factories are mostly in other countries, and they don't have the EPA,or OSHA nor unions to deal with. Countries like Mexico have huge trade deficts with us becasue they mostly can't afford our goods.... and not to mention the illegals... we are in trouble big time.

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Warlock, thanks for posting this.

    Economic growth, especially over the last seven years, has been based almost exclusively on expanding credit or inflation. As money became easier and real interest rates even became negative, people went on a spending spree. Now that credit is contracting (deflation), we are seeing that the party wasn’t about productivity or technology, but about being able to borrow money and spend it. I can’t overstate this: today we have more debt in the system by any measure than at any time in history.

    Many people have just now come to this conclusion. Where were these people before? Why didn’t all the money managers, financial advisors, market pundits, and treasury secretaries with all their professed experience warn us of this before now? Many that were doing just that were fired or drowned out for having such drastic opinions. What we had left were merely cheerleaders and profiteers. But even cheerleaders eventually have to admit they are losing the game. The problem now seems to be that the coaches on the field still refuse to cut their losses and admit defeat: save your resources for the next game.

    Many of the answers to these questions can be had here...

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/

    http://www.infowars.com/

    Simply put, this whole economic thing is part of a bigger picture. None of this is a coincidence once you put the pieces together. I was arguing this very thing as much as two years ago on this board with the likes of Zeroday and so on, but few wanted to believe me then.

    Isn't it amazing that the US govt. doesn't count fuel and food in its inflation index? Isn't it amazing when the US govt. says the national debt is 9 trillion, when it fact it is probably as much as 53 trillion in debt?

    Next up...

    Goodbye Dollar and Hello Amero

    Jimmy Carter got the ball rolling on the Amero during his administration and look for it sometime around 2012.

    Look for it folks, this is just getting started.

    I can't stress this enough, just like there was more to the JWs than what we saw early on, the same is true with the world governments. We're only getting half of the story, just the half they want us to know.

  • worldtraveller
    worldtraveller

    My spin.

    Socialism bla bla bla, more socialism bla bla bla. I call bullshit!!! The greedy banks did it themselves. The banks are the root cause of all that's going on in the US. Not socialism, just the greedy bloodsucking banks.

    Every freaking week I get at least 2 mail offers for a new credit card. I also get 2 or more phone offers for more credit cards.

    I could get a credit card for my cat if I wanted to. Credit cards are handed out like playing cards, except in this case they are all Jokers!

    Ask yourself if you or someone you know can only pay the minimum balance on a credit card. I know many.

    The fact is that if people could only pay cash for whatever you wished, the price of stuff would be no where where it is today. Imagine if everyone had to pay cash for a car! What do you think the price of a car would be? Same for a home. I now see 50 year mortgages. I hear in some countries, the debt can now be carried over to whomever inherits the property. I just cannot believe how the banks were allowed to continue unabated without some regulation, or at least REAL income verification.

    Let me tell you what I have started doing recently.

    Every single credit card offer I now find with a low interest balance transfer for an extended period I am applying for. As soon as the card appears, I am transferring all I can borrow (in this weeks case at 1.9% for 1 year) and putting it into a guaranteed income certificate at about 4.5% and will have the credit card debt paid within 4 or 5 months.(Certainly by the time the rate goes up). Every other card with similar offers I will do it again.

    If these banks are that freaking greedy ,then I will take their offers

    Now some may think that's not fair, but I have to ask this question. Has any bank been your "friend" ? If you think so, then I suggest you think again. They are not. They are the ones that have caused all this pain. Greed, people!

  • FreeWilly
    FreeWilly

    A great article. Our US economy has been fueled by an expansion of credit. People purchased goods - not with money they saved - but with money created via credit. Credit that cannot be paid back is defaulted. This causes credit based money supply to evaporate. In other words Deflation.

    It will be interesting times. If recent prosperity was created largely by credit what will the evaporation of this credit create? Historically the answer is not good.

    I'm not convinced we will experience macro-economic deflation though. Deflation calls for decreasing prices (not always good) and a strengthening US dollar due to a decreased money supply (from credit-money contraction). While we will no doubt experience this I believe consumer prices will remain elevated due to global demand, for resources and commodities. Additionally the US national debt it monstrous and increasingly affecting our govornment's ability to pay. Any contraction of money supply will, I beleive, be offset by an increase in money supply to pay debt obligations.

    I believe we will experience a great transfer of wealth as indebted US citizens watch their (artificial) wealth evaporate while those who carry no debt are left with what remains. This demographic consists of "savers" which are very few, and foreign holders of US dollars - exceedingly large.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Isn't greed one of the single greatest things to affect the human condition?

    Without greed I suspect we'd still be living in small villages having ten kids per family because 8 die before child bearing age. Without greed, there are fewer capitalists and fewer traders and fewer goods and so on. While we may wax lyrical about the old days of living close to nature I think they lived a life of utter hardship.

    I salute the greedy, the money grabbers, the misers. Banking was one of the single greatest social advances ever - no longer would you need to protect your goods with a sword under your pillow, no longer would you need to carry a pig to town to trade. Its all greed but its great.

    Bob Cratchet may win our heart but only Scrooge can save Tiny Tim.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Isn't greed one of the single greatest things to affect the human condition?

    Without greed I suspect we'd still be living in small villages having ten kids per family because 8 die before child bearing age. Without greed, there are fewer capitalists and fewer traders and fewer goods and so on. While we may wax lyrical about the old days of living close to nature I think they lived a life of utter hardship.

    I salute the greedy, the money grabbers, the misers. Banking was one of the single greatest social advances ever - no longer would you need to protect your goods with a sword under your pillow, no longer would you need to carry a pig to town to trade. Its all greed but its great.

    Bob Cratchet may win our heart but only Scrooge can save Tiny Tim.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    So good I had to say it twice.

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