Cross quote Mar. 1, 08 WT

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  • eby
    eby

    March 1, 2008 page 22. Why Do Jehovah's Witnesses Not Use the Cross in Worship? "In agreement with this, Oxford University's Companion Bible says: 'The evidence is...that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle.' Clearly, the churches have adopted a tradition that is not Biblical." www.therain.org/appendixes/app162.html The Cross and Crucifixion.
    This Is Appendix 162 From The Companion Bible.

    In the Greek New Testament two words are used for "the cross" on which the Lord was put to death.

    1. The word stauros; which denotes an upright pole or stake, to which the crimminals were nailed for execution.

    2. The xulon, which generally denotes a piece of a dead log of wood, or timber, for fuel or for any other purpose. It is not like dendron, which is used of a living, or green tree, as in Matthew 21:

    8 ; Revelation 7: 1, 3 ; 8: 7 ; 9: 4 , etc.

    As this latter word xulon is used for the former stauros, it shows us that the meaning of each is exactly the same.

    The verb stauroõ means to drive stakes.

    1

    Our English word "cross" is the translation of the Latin crux; but the Greek stauros no more means a crux than the word "stick" means a "crutch".

    Homer uses the word stauros of an ordinary pole or stake, or a single piece of timber.

    2 And this is the meaning and usage of the word throughout the Greek classics. 3

    It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone. Hence the use of the word xulon (No. 2, above) in connection with the manner of our Lord's death, and rendered "tree" in Acts 5:

    30 ; 10: 39 ; 13: 29 . Galatians 3: 13 . 1 Peter 2: 24 . This is preserved in our old English name rood, or rod. See the Encycl. Brit., 11th (Camb.) ed., volume 7, page 505d.

    There is nothing in the Greek of the New Testament even to imply two pieces of timber.

    The letter chi, , the initial of the word Christ , was originally used for His Name; or . This was superseded by symbols and , and even the first of these had four equal arms.

    These crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian sun-god, , and are first seen on a coin of Julius Cæsar, 100 - 44

    B.C ., and then on a coin struck by Cæsar's heir (Augustus), 20 B.C. 4

    On the coins of Constantine the most frequent symbol is ; but the same symbol is used without the surrounding circle, and with the four equal arms vertical and horizontal; and this was the symbol specially venerated as the "Solar Wheel". It should be stated that Constantine was a sun-god worshipper, and would not enter the "Church" till some quarter of a century after the legend of his having seen such a cross in the heavens (E

    USEBIUS , Vit. Const. I. 37).

    The evidence is the same as to the pre-Christian (phallic) symbol in Asia, Africa, and Egypt, whether we consult Nineveh by Sir A. H. L

    AYARD (ii 213), or Manners and Customs of the Ancient Egyptians, by Sir J. G ARDNER W ILKINSON , iii. pages 24, 26, 43, 44, 46, 52, 82, 136.

    Dr. S

    CHLIEMANN gives the same evidence in his Ilios (1880), recording his discoveries on the site of prehistoric Troy. See pages 337, 350, 353, 521, 523.

    Dr. M

    AX O HNEFALSCH - R ICHTER gives the same evidence from Cyprus; and these are "the oldest extant Phoenician inscriptions"; see his Kypros, the Bible, and Homer : Oriental Civilisation, Art, and Religion in Ancient Times, Plates XIX, XXV, XXVI, XXX, XXXI, XXXII, XL, LVIII, LXIX, etc.

    The Catacombs in Rome bear the same testimony : "Christ" is never represented there as "hanging on a cross", and the cross itself is only pourtrayed in a veiled and hesitating manner. In the Egyptian churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life, borrowed by the Christians, and interpreted in the pagan manner. See the Encycl. Brit., 11th (Camb.) ed., volume 14, page 273.

    In his Letter from Rome Dean Burgon says : "I question whether a cross occurs on any Christian monument of the first four centuries".

    In Mrs. Jameson's famous History of our Lord as Exemplified in Works of Art, she says (volume ii, page 315) : "It must be owned that ancient objects of art, as far as hitherto known, afford no corroboration of the use of the cross in the simple transverse form familiar to us, at any period preceding, or even closely succeeding, the time of Chrysostom"; and Chrysostom wrote half a century after Constantine!

    "The Invention of the Cross" by Helena the mother of Constantine (in 326), though it means her finding of the cross, may or may not be true; but the "invention" of it in pre-Christian times, and the "invention" of its use in later times, are truths of which we need to be reminded in the present day. The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two piece of timber placed at any angle.

    NOTES

    1 There are two compounds of it used : sustauroo = to put any one thus to death with another (Matthew 27: 44 . Mark 15: 32 . John 19: 32 . Romans 6: 6 . Galatians 2: 20 ); and anastauroo = to rise up and fix upon the stake again (Hebrews 6: 6 ). Another word used is equally significant : prospegnumi = to fix or fasten anything (Acts 2: 23 ).

    2 Iliad xxiv. 453. Odyssey xiv. 11.

    3 For example, Thucydides iv. 90. Xenophon, Anabasis v. 2. 21.

    4 Other coins with this symbol were struck by Augustus, also by Hadrian and other Roman emperors. See Early Christian Numismatics, by C. W. King, M.A.

  • Dead Man Joaquin
    Dead Man Joaquin

    We had a post here on the "stauros" not too long ago... any scholars care to comment?

  • oompa
    oompa

    What the frick difference would it make? It would make more sense to me that Jesus was to be even more shamed by being put to death on a cross, since apparently it was pagan and had been used for centuries. Romans did use the cross, that is for sure...but one penis pole is just as effective as the next penis pole..........................................................................................................oompa

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    I agree, I think on balance the WTS is correct in this assumption - but I personally would not be dogmatic about crosses or stakes.

  • AWAKE&WATCHING
    AWAKE&WATCHING

    HEE HEE ...Oompa said penis pole. (laughing and pointing at Oompa)

  • Dead Man Joaquin
    Dead Man Joaquin

    The previous thread on the stauros had a HUGE amount of info to wade through... wasn't able to make the time... anybody got the Cliffs Notes version?

  • metatron
    metatron

    It was crappy research when first published and worse research reprinted now. As I pointed out sometime ago, this nonsense relies upon

    a false assumption, namely that common Greek was a precise language with precise meanings. IT IS NOT!

    Xulon can mean a live tree or dead one. Stauros can mean a stake or a cross.

    The Watchtower is wrong, period.

    metatron

  • Dead Man Joaquin
    Dead Man Joaquin

    Is the above information non-scholarly in your opinion?

  • yknot
    yknot

    Here is a thought on the cross:

    Two men are at Chili's enjoy a meal with their fellow worshipers after services. Each have suits, dress shirt and shoes, each has a tie pin. One has a cross, the second a watchtower logo. What is the difference here? Is there any difference at all. How many sisters have bookbags with the WTS logo, bookmarkers, tie bars etc? Both the cross and the image of the watchtower can be linked supposedly to pagan identifiers.

    Just a thought

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    aren't many items in a wedding known to be of pagan origin, ring etc etc. It seems to me that there is this extra extra effort on some items to be poopoo'd by the WT society just to appear different

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